Well first issue after waking the old girl up this spring is the generator

McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
Fired up my genset Saturday for the first time this year, ran about 15-20min no issues and then died. Went to try and fire it up again, definitely sounds like it wants to start but dies like a safety isn't allowing it. When it was running, there was plenty of water getting pumped out the side, and just had the carb and impeller replaced last year. So thought maybe it was the thermostat not kicking on and it was over heating. Came back the next day to ensure it was cold, acts like its about to turn over and then immediately shuts down again.

Has anyone encountered this type of behavior? Is there sensors somewhere that might be faulty and preventing the motor from running? I'm already on the list for my mechanic to come take a look, but he was kind of surprised when he heard it didn't start the next day either because he thought for sure thermostat too. 



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  • StodgeStodge ✭✭✭✭ Lake St. ClairPosts: 2,549Member ✭✭✭✭
    Check the motor oil and consider replacing the spark plugs.  There is an oil sensor that can make the shut off.  And they are tough on spark plugs.

    2002 FV 342 on Lake St. Clair - Past Commodore SHC - Vessel Examiner USCGAUX

  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    @Stodge Yeah I checked the oil and topped it off, will do spark plugs next thanks. 
  • raybo3raybo3 mod Revere MAPosts: 4,231Moderator mod
    Plug............. These genny's eat them like candy.
    2002 342 Fiesta Vee PC Point Of Pines YC Revere MA. popyc.org
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 ✭✭✭✭ Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 12
    Agree on plugs first. When you re start cold does it start but then die when you release the start button? If so then it’s an electrical problem. Start with fuses and brushes. If it stays running when you release the start button and then dies then probably not electrical. 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    Same behavior from starting both at the cabin switch and the one on the generator. 
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 ✭✭✭✭ Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks but I asked when it shuts off, is it when you release the start button or after? 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    Last time I tried was from the cabin, held the button till the light turned on and I heard it starting, when I let go it got up to idle and shut off/light turned off, so maybe 10 seconds. Tried right after, light would never turn on and as soon as it got to idle I let go of the button and it died 
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 ✭✭✭✭ Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    Ok that’s good, if it kept running for more than a few seconds after letting the start button go then it shouldn’t be electrical. So agree with comments here to do plugs next. 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • zaverin1zaverin1 ✭✭✭ Harrison TWP ,MIPosts: 1,633Member ✭✭✭
    Its the choke and plug bro
    those kholers are junk 
    they always wants or need something 

  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond ✭✭✭✭✭ Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,659Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you sure the fuel valve is on?

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • PickleRickPickleRick ✭✭ Posts: 347Member ✭✭
    edited June 15
    Can you rule out carb issues?  Carb issues are my # 1 source of income.

    Buy orileys brand brake cleaner, it works well for both parts and carb cleaning and a diagnostics tool. The epa hasnt taken the flamable out of it.  Give a little squirt directly into the carb.   A real little squirt. If she back fires you want it to be so little you can blow it out like a birthday candle.  Keep a fire ex handy in the event of an issue.  Any time you're diagnosing or working on fuel system issues keep a fire ex on hand.



    If she fires up and runs and keeps running so long as you keep giving her little squirts its a carb or fuel delivery issue. There may even be a 12 volt fuel cut off solenoid on the carb that might not be opening up. Might not be getting fuel to the carb. Might just need a carb clean/rebuild.  Id imagine she has a fuel pump of some kind and many kohlers i see are diaphragm cam/crank/rocker arm driven and fail regularly with today's fuels. 

    For an engine to run it needs

    Fuel
    Spark
    Timing 
    Compression.

    So long as the epa allows gasoline companies to save money by not putting fuel stabilizers in fuel as well as adding ethanol we will have loads of fuel system issues, more so on carb motors than anything else.  

    Im assuming its not a pre 83 model genset so it has electronic ignition, pretty reliabe on a kohler.  Timing and compression issues are usually rare and expensive.

    Today's fuels burn hotter than fuels of past so loose rocker arm studs are not uncommon if you do end up with a timing and or compression issue. Kohler sent out a service bulletin on their command series engine some 10 years ago advising more torque on the rocker arm bolts due to them coming loose. I even add a drop of loctite to them once i assemble. Your motor is liquid cooled where as i work with air cooled motors so this shouldnt be an issue for you but if you get that far simply removing valve covers can rule that out.

    Im a factory certified briggs, koher, honda among other brands tech fwiw




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  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    Well I have a feeling my genset is toast. 

    So far switched out the plugs, topped off all fluids, replaced the AC volt regulator, and generator only stays running while holding the start button. When it is running with the start button pushed down it’s only putting out 45-50vac so I think the stator must be shot 
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 ✭✭✭✭ Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    The stator can be re wound, I had that done on my 310 for $450. The rotor would need to be replaced. Could also be the control panel. At this point I’d get the local Koehler dealer aboard 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • raybo3raybo3 mod Revere MAPosts: 4,231Moderator mod
    I had the same problem. Mine ended up being that it needed a new carb. Replaced it and been running great for the last 4 years...........
    2002 342 Fiesta Vee PC Point Of Pines YC Revere MA. popyc.org
  • PickleRickPickleRick ✭✭ Posts: 347Member ✭✭
    Will it continue running once the start switch is let go if you are squirting flammable carb/brake cleaner into the carb? (Should only be attempted if a fire ex is handy qnd only short squirts). 
  • Dude_HimselfDude_Himself ✭✭✭ Charleston, SCPosts: 557Member ✭✭✭
    edited July 1
    I'm not sure you'd see any AC voltage if the stator was toast. Do you have the tools to measure the frequency of the current? I'd hazard a guess you're not stabilizing the RPM - could be something simple like a speed sensor feeding the controller or the voltage regulator being shot.
  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    Well after hours of troubleshooting, finally got the generator working. After replacing the regulator and getting the same exact issue I bought a new circuit board. While taking it apart to replace the board my mechanic noticed the connections going to the regulator were completely shot, replaced the connections and viola she stays running when releasing the start button. Loaded it up with everything I had electrical and she just purred for an hour with no issues, what a relief. 
  • rasburyrasbury ✭✭✭✭✭ Sanford, FLPosts: 5,450Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    sweet! Why do you think the connections went bad...just the environment? Looking at mine with the frame rusting away...it seems it is not a generator built for the environment it has to live in...
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn mod Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,396Member, Moderator mod
    @McGarnicle - if you can, please post some pictures of it so it may help someone in the future.  Thanks for the update and enjoy that generator!

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • McGarnicleMcGarnicle ✭✭✭ Posts: 207Member ✭✭✭
    @rasbury Not really sure, I had my engine bilge cleaned when they were detailing my boat this spring so maybe some water intrusion from them power washing it or when the regulator went out it caused flare up cause my mechanic said the wires were almost melted. 

    @Dream_Inn I will try and get some pics but I didnt see it first hand and now its all sealed back up but will see what I can do. 
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 ✭✭✭✭ Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    Great info, thanks for posting back!
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • BoyzToyBoyzToy Posts: 10Member
    HI i have a generator not working. How hard to remove it from my boat? 2005342



  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond ✭✭✭✭✭ Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,659Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    You would have to pull the engine to get the genny out.  What is it not doing you want to pull it?

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • BoyzToyBoyzToy Posts: 10Member
    Morning.
      The generator has not been used in a number of years. The pan is rusted out as well as other parts on the generator.
      Bought the boat about a mouth ago only to find a few things wrong.
     Generator, Water leak forward bunk, and a hole in the bottom of the Black water tank.
     Order a new tank. My Aft cabin. Not fun!! 
  • GMSLITHOGMSLITHO ✭✭✭ Greenwood Lake NY Posts: 789Member ✭✭✭
    Looks like you’ll have a busy off season 
  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond ✭✭✭✭✭ Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,659Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Even more fun putting that aft cabin back together. Been there. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • WillhoundWillhound ✭✭✭✭ Lake Simcoe, Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,038Member ✭✭✭✭
    @BoyzToy I replaced my tank this spring. Can heartily recommend the Sealand/Dometic HT line. Well built, self venting and comes with fittings. 
    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270
  • BoyzToyBoyzToy Posts: 10Member
    Were you able to get the same size ?
  • WillhoundWillhound ✭✭✭✭ Lake Simcoe, Ontario, CanadaPosts: 2,038Member ✭✭✭✭
    I measured the old tank and found one that fit and is actually a little bigger

    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270
  • BoyzToyBoyzToy Posts: 10Member
    What is Body is required ? Having issue posting.  Thank you
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