If you need to troubleshoot your ignition...

bluewatersailorbluewatersailor Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
edited November 2017 in Electrical Discussions
...then you're going to need a DVA (Direct Voltage Adapter) to do the peak-voltage measurements. You can buy one - they range from ~$35 to ~$200 on Amazon, depending on how much you want to get ripped off for and how long you're willing to wait - or, if you're at all handy, it's dead-easy, cheap, and quick to build one. I put mine together this morning in about 15 minutes out of the spare bits I had lying around, but if you don't have them, they should cost well under $10 from your local electronics shop.

Theory bits (feel free to skip):
A DVA is nothing more than a rectifier with a little smoothing circuitry following it; i.e., it turns very spiky, low duty-cycle AC (which is what your stator produces) into pulsating DC, then flattens the pulses into a steady, measurable DC voltage by storing the peaks. The component values in it are fairly unimportant except for the voltage: since the "load" on the output is nothing but the meter you're using (typically 10MΩ or higher input impedance), and the storage capacitor is recharged more than 30 times per second (say, 300rpm/8 cylinders), the current is going to be in the microamp range and the capacitor value can be anything around 1µF (higher is better; the value determines how much you'll lose off the actual peak, and 1µF loses less than 1 volt in 400 at 30Hz.) The discharge resistor value just needs to be high (1MΩ or more) and the wattage is likewise unimportant due to the low current.

Last - just to help broaden the component choices (or to add to the confusion :) ), you can choose between a half-wave or a full-wave rectifier. Full-wave is better, because it allows you to read both sides of the AC pulse and thus recharge the capacitor more often for a more accurate reading; half-wave is cheaper by as much as a buck, because you're only using a single diode as opposed to a bridge rectifier (i.e., four diodes.) 

In short, whatever you've got on your shelf - or whatever your electronic parts store has on the shelf - will do, even if they haven't restocked recently.


Here are the two possible schematics for a DVA, depending on whether you decide to go with half- or full-wave rectification (single diode or bridge):



To test if you did it right, hook the DVA into your probes, switch your meter to the 200V or higher DC range, and stick your probes into an AC outlet. You should get something close to 170V (peak voltage is Vrms * 1.414, or 120 * 1.414 = 169.68.)


Feel free to let me know if you have any questions, folks!
 

A ship in the harbor is safe... but that's not what ships were made for.

Comments

  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,218 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Ah snap...i bet he can apply that knowledge to what we have!
  • bluewatersailorbluewatersailor Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    This is great information for Rinker owners who are running Old 2 stroke outboards.  4 cycle ignitions are completely different and a DVA adaptor is not needed.  
    Oh, I figured the folks with the latest and greatest boats would just sit back and have a beer while their OBD system figured it out, ordered the part for them, and installed it. :) Us technical-type grease monkeys, though, love to poke around in that stuff.

    You're right, of course: I should have mentioned that this was for ADI systems on 2-strokes. I was just highly amused by the fact that an experiment that I decided to do in a high school electronics class in 1980 or so ("Seriously? 120VAC is actually 170V peak-to-peak? Cool - I wanna see this!") turned out to have a practical application. I'd never even heard of DVA until last week...

    A ship in the harbor is safe... but that's not what ships were made for.

  • WillhoundWillhound Member Posts: 4,183 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Alswagg You're not OLD....you're "Experienced"...Some of us are just more "experienced" than others..... :p
    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270
  • bluewatersailorbluewatersailor Member Posts: 23 ✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    The DVA adaptor or meter is used to accurately measure the voltage from a stator and trigger on many 2 stroke applications.  The switch box or CDI box also is measured by this meter. But not the coil output.  I still have an anolog beam sweep DVA meter. I like to use this more than my fluke meter with adaptor. I am  Just Old I guess. 
    Heh, I've got the same attitude about checking diodes with an analog vs. a digital: I know where the needle should be for either a silicon or a germanium diode, and I know, to within 1/16", where it'll be if the diode is too leaky in reverse. With a digital, I have to interpret numbers; just doesn't feel right.

    And heck, if liking stuff that's worked for ages makes you "old", then sign me right up. Several of the houses in the St. Augustine Colonial Quarter are being held together by nails I made as the apprentice blacksmith there - using a forge that we had rebuilt ourselves, and with old Spanish-style leather bellows to work it...

    A ship in the harbor is safe... but that's not what ships were made for.

  • zaverin1zaverin1 Member Posts: 1,672 ✭✭✭
    All my time spent fixing 2 strokes and never used it.
    i always used a digital meter to measure input  output and ohms.
    thats really all you need.
    if your stator or flywheel is the problem the. Invest into a 3 jaw puller. 
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