Options

Issue with water system

Hello all,

My first post here. I just purchased a 2003 Rinker Fiesta Vee 290, during the survey and seatrial things checked out fine, but as soon as I took delivery of the boat the fresh water system stopped working. I took a peak in the bilge and noticed that the previous owner installed a brand new water pump, but the water pump is not priming, the tank is full of water actually, I checked the tank vent as well as the fill hose, no blockage, but full of water. I can't for the life of me find the "water pickup" from the water tank, pardon my ignorance, but should be a simple system, right? I am guessing there should be a pickup fitting at the bottom of the fresh water tank somewhere that runs a hose to the pump, then from the pump it should go to the water heater and all faucets, am I correct? If the tank is full, I am assuming there is a blockage somewhere between the water tank and the pump, pump runs fine, but can't prime, it is not a vent issue, so any suggestions on where else to look? I tried to follow the water pump intake hose back to the fresh water tank, but it is almost impossible to do so without taking half the boat apart.

Any thoughts? I appreciate it.

Thank you!

Bert
«1

Comments

  • Options
    aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 8,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2020
    Welcome to the forum! There should be a filter strainer on the pump that may need to be cleaned.
    2008 330EC
  • Options
    IanIan Member Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭✭
    Is the pump running continuously? If so may be air in the lines and/or getting sucked in, I had the issue last season with the filter glass cracked and was having a hard time pumping up pressure, these pumps pressurize water easily, air not so. If the pump runs and shuts off then runs when you open a faucet then off when closed, it is pressurizing.

    Regards,

    Ian

    The Third “B”

    Secretary, Ravena Coeymans Yacht Club

    https://www.rcyachtclub.com/

  • Options
    LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,625 mod
    edited June 2020
    Welcome, and congratulations on your new boat!

    Your summary of the system is correct.  Here's an easy thing to check:  at the water pump, disconnect the supply hose and make sure water comes out (assuming the water tank is 100% full to the top).  

    The hose should have a quick-disconnect fitting like in the picture below.  See the blue plastic tab that I circled in red?  Pull that tab, and the hose should pull out easily.  

    If you have any trouble with it, post a photo and we'll help you figure it out.


  • Options
    reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some boats have a city water connection witch I have on my 342 so if the valve is turned  that could be you blockage. Just a thought.
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    Thank you for all the help guys! The water tank is full, I know this because I can not only see it, but I removed the vent hose and water came out, it is that full! The pump runs continuously as if it is not priming itself. I disconnected the supply hose from the pump already and no water came out of the hose, there must be a "blockage" somewhere between the tank pickup and the pump, just not sure where, it is impossible to follow that supply hose to the tank as it is routed from the firewall on the port side along the port side to the stern to the starboard side where the fresh water tank is, so it is behind all kinds of stuff, water heater, battery charger, engines, etc.

    Any other ideas are very much appreciated.

    Bert
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    Some boats have a city water connection witch I have on my 342 so if the valve is turned  that could be you blockage. Just a thought.
    What do you mean by "if the valve is turned"? There is a city water connection, if I plug a hose there the water runs fine through all faucets in the boat, but I can't figure out where that valve might be or how that is routed into the water system. I guess the tank feeds the pump via supply hose, then after the pump there is a valve for the city water connection?

    Thank you! Been boating for many years, but never had to troubleshoot a fresh water system lol
  • Options
    YYZRCYYZRC Member Posts: 4,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Can you push a wire or similar through the supply hose from the pump to the tank? That might dislodge your blockage without having to futz around. 
    2008 350 EC on Georgian Bay
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    YYZRC said:
    Can you push a wire or similar through the supply hose from the pump to the tank? That might dislodge your blockage without having to futz around. 
    I am going to try that next, just left the marina, won't be back there till Thursday, any other feedback is appreciated. :smiley:
  • Options
    rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Open all your faucets - if I run my water out and need to prime it, that works on mine

  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    rasbury said:
    Open all your faucets - if I run my water out and need to prime it, that works on mine

    Tried that already, it seems like the supply hose is clothed up, interestingly enough I noticed that the tank has 3 fittings, a large one for filling, a small one for venting and I can see another large fitting at the bottom of the tank with a large hose, however that is much larger hose than the one that comes out of the port side for the pump, I am guessing that somewhere along the way that large hose connects to the small hose, could there be a screen somewhere or something like that? I am at a loss, going to have to hire someone to do something very simple lol

  • Options
    rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a screen at the pump inlet...
  • Options
    reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If it runs on city water the valve is turned, my valve is with in 2ft of my pump small white in line valve
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • Options
    reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    right at the top of the picture you can just see it on the white hose.
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • Options
    reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looking at it now it appears ot be before the pump, so city water must go through the pump then though the boat. 
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    Looking at it now it appears ot be before the pump, so city water must go through the pump then though the boat. 
    Thats what I was thinking mainly because when we did the sea trial and survey, the water system was working perfectly, all faucets, pump would run while faucets were open, then as soon as you closed the faucets the pump would build pressure and stop within seconds, then on the first actual outing on the boat the pump never stopped and no more water came out of any faucet, I tried plugging in the hose at the dock into the "city water intake" and that works fine. I am sure something is clogged somewhere between tank and pump, the question is where and interestingly enough the hose coming out of the tank is much bigger than the supply hose going into the pump, so at some point that hose changes, either a fitting, a screen, a valve or something. I might have to take half the boat apart lol


  • Options
    LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,625 mod
    edited June 2020
    Disconnect the supply hose from the pump, get a hose connected to city water, and back-flush from the pump into the tank. Or use compressed air to back-flush.
  • Options
    Pat310Pat310 Member Posts: 541 ✭✭✭
    When you say the bottom hose coming out of the tank is larger compared to pump hose could you be looking at the holding tank?  I know the caps on my fill and pump out both say water. Guess PO couldn’t find one that said waste. Maybe you filled the wrong tank. Just saying 🤔
  • Options
    YYZRCYYZRC Member Posts: 4,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you for all the help guys! The water tank is full, I know this because I can not only see it, but I removed the vent hose and water came out, it is that full! 
    Pat310 said:
    When you say the bottom hose coming out of the tank is larger compared to pump hose could you be looking at the holding tank?  I know the caps on my fill and pump out both say water. Guess PO couldn’t find one that said waste. Maybe you filled the wrong tank. Just saying 🤔
    Well now this is getting entertaining!! 
    2008 350 EC on Georgian Bay
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    Pat310 said:
    When you say the bottom hose coming out of the tank is larger compared to pump hose could you be looking at the holding tank?  I know the caps on my fill and pump out both say water. Guess PO couldn’t find one that said waste. Maybe you filled the wrong tank. Just saying 🤔
    lol, water is on starboard side, waste is on port side, waste is empty, water is full, you can see the label on each side of the boat :wink: I'll play with back flushing first and see what that does. I'll report back, thanks everyone for the help.
  • Options
    IanIan Member Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭✭
    Opposite to mine... but its a 310. I think its time for photos, I am also perplexed about the larger hose comment.

    Regards,

    Ian

    The Third “B”

    Secretary, Ravena Coeymans Yacht Club

    https://www.rcyachtclub.com/

  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    edited July 2020
    icoultha said:
    Opposite to mine... but its a 310. I think its time for photos, I am also perplexed about the larger hose comment.
    Hahaha I’m not embarrassed to feel like a complete idiot. I find it interesting that if the starboard side tank is the waste tank, it’s full of clear and clean water, not like I tasted it lol but it does look that way. Could be that some dumba$$ changed the water and waste caps as they’re clearly marked, but I wouldn’t be surprised as I’ve seen it all. I’ll be at the marina Friday. I’ll check and report back. 
    Post edited by raybo3 on
  • Options
    TonyG13TonyG13 Member Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭✭
    If I'm not mistaken, the Waste cap is not attached with a tether (so you can attach the pump out suction), and the Water cap is attached with a tether. Another way to tell the difference unless someone ripped 'em off and switched them?
  • Options
    IanIan Member Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭✭
    Correct @TonyG13 and even if torn off the waste port won’t have a screw hole anyway.

    Regards,

    Ian

    The Third “B”

    Secretary, Ravena Coeymans Yacht Club

    https://www.rcyachtclub.com/

  • Options
    rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,283 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Right...nothing to screw on with  the water inlet.  
  • Options
    LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,625 mod
    Well, regardless of the caps, a quick sniff test should make it pretty obvious!
  • Options
    WillhoundWillhound Member Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And generally, waste will be on the same side as the head and water the same side as the galley.
    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270 (Sold)
    2018 Cherokee 39RL Land Yacht (Sorry...)
  • Options
    YYZRCYYZRC Member Posts: 4,995 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LaRea said:
    Well, regardless of the caps, a quick sniff test should make it pretty obvious!
    But what about those of us who have s**t that doesn't stink!!??
    2008 350 EC on Georgian Bay
  • Options
    WillhoundWillhound Member Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    YYZRC said:
    LaRea said:
    Well, regardless of the caps, a quick sniff test should make it pretty obvious!
    But what about those of us who have s**t that doesn't stink!!??
    You're a legend in your own mind!  :D
    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270 (Sold)
    2018 Cherokee 39RL Land Yacht (Sorry...)
  • Options
    bert_floridabert_florida Member Posts: 69
    Well....... I feel like a complete dumb idiot lmao. Indeed, tanks are as you guys said. Somebody switched the caps! Neither cap has a tether, and both have threads and they're identical, but one says "waste" and one says "water", whomever switched them had mental issues lol or perhaps removed them both, got them mixed (not sure why they would put them together) and then put them back in wrong on the boat. The tank that was "full" was indeed the waste tank, somehow it was full of clear/clean water. Perhaps someone filled it with water for some reason? To clean it? Who knows! Anyhow, problem solved lol Just needed to add water to the right tank and empty the tank I thought was the water tank hahaha. I haven't used the head on this boat yet anyway, so whomever the owner was (I purchased from a broker) filled the waste tank with water and left the water tank empty.

    Such a dumb problem to troubleshoot, but if it wasn't for all you guys' help I would have not found out for a few more days :smile:

    Thanks for everything!
  • Options
    WillhoundWillhound Member Posts: 4,190 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Don't feel dumb. We've all had our moments. Happy you figured it out.
    "Knot Quite Shore" - 2000 FV270 (Sold)
    2018 Cherokee 39RL Land Yacht (Sorry...)
Sign In or Register to comment.