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just a quick question, my bilge went out on me yesterday, I was not aware of it until we got on the lake and took water, seemed like a lot of water too, what could be some causes of this? what can I check, I think if my bilge would have been working I would have been ok, what is a "normal" amount of water? also I did kind of launch it a little rough..busy launch area.. could that have forced water up in it? thanks, sorry for all the questions here. 1997 rinker 182 b/r with mercruiser 3.0

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    212rowboat212rowboat Member Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Except for a possible transducer, and other than your plug, there are no through hulls onthat boat, are there?

    The plug either screws or is held by tension in a lil sleeve.. That sleeve is screwed into the hull material, but doesn't penetrate the hull.. all the same, it can break seat and leak, especially if you or a prior owner have a habit of gorilla gripping the plug in there...

    How much water are we talking about?
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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15
    edited June 2014

    no through hulls on boat,plug was in, using thread pipe tape also, the water was about 4" deep in back of boat, filled my ski compartment, get so deep it killed motor when electronics got wet, came home drained all water, hooked up the muffs and she fired right up. where is transducer located? are they a expensive fix? thanks for info

     

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    Cableguy GregCableguy Greg Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Check your shift cable bellows. That is usually where the water gets in. One way to check it is back the boat into the water and look at the inside of the transom. If you see water coming in, it is usually that bellows. You can also check it when the drive is up. It is the small cable on the starboard side of the drive. Make sure there aren't any holes in it.
    2008 280 Express Cruiser, 6.2MPI, B3, Pittsburgh, PA "Blue Ayes"
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    212rowboat212rowboat Member Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yup.. That much water is likely bellows..
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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15

    dang, ok thanks, are those a easy do it myself fix, or expensive take to dealer?

    also noticed my prop moves in and out,should that be tight? would the bellows cause the prop to spin slightly when in neutral with throttle up a bit? thanks alot

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    Cableguy GregCableguy Greg Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The prop will move slightly when you throttle up while flushing the motor out. If you are handy, you can do it yourself. If not, take it to the mechanic. My mechanic replaces the shift cable at the same time. That way you don't get caught with a cable that has stretched.
    2008 280 Express Cruiser, 6.2MPI, B3, Pittsburgh, PA "Blue Ayes"
    Go Steelers!!!
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    212rowboat212rowboat Member Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nah.. bellows are the sock, similar to a shock boot, that seals up the pass between drive and water..

    My prop moves in and out slightly, too.. doubt they're related (the issues, that is).
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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15

    ok, I will check them tomorrow then, if bad just do the shift cable also then? if for some reason not bellows, what else? going nuts first boat..lol

     

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    212rowboat212rowboat Member Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    http://www.sterndrives.com/replace_alphaone_bellows.html

    If you had that much water, and no visible damage to the hull, I'm lost as to what else it could be..
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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15
    ok, that's what it has to be then, hull looks fine, I did check that last night in the dark, thanks for info, let ya know what I find
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    V8192V8192 Member Posts: 18 ✭✭
    Are the block drain plugs all in? Don't ask how I know this will fill the bilge!
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    212rowboat212rowboat Member Posts: 2,591 ✭✭✭✭✭
    V8192 said:

    Are the block drain plugs all in? Don't ask how I know this will fill the bilge!

    :)

    Didn't think of that!!! Yup..
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    mvnmvn Member, Moderator Posts: 744 mod
    edited June 2014
    Here's another possible cause.... check the speedometer pitot tube that comes through the transom shield. If it's an Alpha, those plastic QD fittings can break. A stream of water will pour in when underway.

    Mark
    Good,  fast,  cheap.... pick two. 
    2019 MTX20 Extreme

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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15

    ok, will check everything stated above.where are the block drain plugs at?if the qd fitting breaks will the speedo still work? is this the bellow kit I would need tho? should probably replace them..after I get this water issue fixed first..lol.. thanks again for all info

    http://www.amazon.com/Transom-Bellows-Bearing-Mercruiser-30-803099T1/dp/B004SCT07K/ref=pd_sbs_auto_6?ie=UTF8&refRID=0PTVGBY0EPVM2R090PBT

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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15
    also, how do I know exactly what kind of alpha I have? gen 1 2 or what else, thanks, no owners manual when I purchased it
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    Michael TMichael T Member Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What angle was your boat at and how fast did it enter the water at the launch site? More than once I have seen guys flood their bilge by swamping their swim platform with the water rolling up the back of the swim platform ant through the blower ducts. That can put a couple of 4" streams of water into the bilge. Also happened to a buddy of mine years ago, a hot dog blasting up to the launch ramp threw a huge wake that washed through the blower and intake holes of my friends boat. MT
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    tnaking2006tnaking2006 Member Posts: 15
    about a normal 20- 30 degree angle, I backed in quick and hit brakes hard, then wife used dock line to guide it while it came off, the platform did go under,don't know how far I was driving and wife was on side,now my bilge wont come on at all, think I inherited a nightmare here.. will check bellows and pitot tube later
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    Michael TMichael T Member Posts: 7,227 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited June 2014
    Might be quite straight forward. Check the fuse associated with the bilge pump. Check the wiring on the bilge pump first. IF the bilge pump has shorted out (not really a common occurance) it can be changed pretty easily. From your discussion doesn't seem like the drain plug. I don't think the pitot tube would let that much water in that fast. If it is a bellows that's not a huge job either. I'm sure you will have it fixed soon. Good luck and Pls keep us posted. MT P.S. a lot of water can enter a boat during a launch, its not common but it can ahappen. On all of the boats I owned that had through hull exhausts, if I had room on the tips, I installed flappers to keep water from being forced into the engines in case there was a too fast water entry or a rogue wake at the ramp.
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    Cableguy GregCableguy Greg Member Posts: 5,016 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your drive should be an Alpha 1 Gen 2 drive.
    2008 280 Express Cruiser, 6.2MPI, B3, Pittsburgh, PA "Blue Ayes"
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    nhsdnhsd Member Posts: 182 ✭✭✭
    Since it sounded like it was getting deeper over time, it doesn't sound like he swamped it when launching which would have put all the water in right off the bat and he would have been well aware of that. If it was the engine block drain plugs, it would have been taking on water while on the muffs in the driveway. Assuming that it wasn't taking on water while in the driveway, then it almost has to be one of the bellows (assuming that there isn't an actual hole in the hull, of course).

    Dave

    2002 Captiva 212, 5.0 220 hp, Alpha 1, 1.62 gears

    Moon Township, PA - boating in the Ohio River

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    midwestemidweste Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    edited June 2014
    WOW - That sounds almost exactly like what happened to me on the first launch of the season about a month ago. We launched great but I noticed the boat had lost a lot of power. So I shut down and discovered the bilge was full of water, and my bilge pump was not pumping water out of the side of the boat. We limped back to the dock for troubleshooting. Turns out the water was hot, so I checked for leaks and started looking around the engine. I finally discovered the two problems: 

    1. The output hose from the bilge had disconnected itself. (Fixed with a hose clamp and a screwdriver)
    2. I forgot to securely reattach the exhaust manifold and block drains from winterizing. MAJOR OOPS!!!! 

    After I remedied the problems, and let the bilge run for about 15 minutes, we were underway and everything was fine for the rest of the weekend. 

    Does this sound familiar? 


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    2000 180 Bowrider, 135hp 3.0L Merc, 2.00 Alpha One Gen 2 OD, 14.5 x 19P prop

       Regular weekender, trailer stored indoors, Southern Ohio  

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    midwestemidweste Member Posts: 135 ✭✭
    You probably have the exact same setup as I do. Mercury 3.0 I-4 motor, Mercruiser Alpha One Gen 2 drive. I downloaded both the motor and outdrive manuals for free from the web. This is my first boat as well, and I highly recommend a good read through the motor, drive and generic Rinker manuals to get a good feel for the boats operations. I'm not sure what prop your boat came with, but the correct prop is a 14.5 x 19. Good Luck! :D

    2000 180 Bowrider, 135hp 3.0L Merc, 2.00 Alpha One Gen 2 OD, 14.5 x 19P prop

       Regular weekender, trailer stored indoors, Southern Ohio  

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