Offer accepted on 2006 270 FV - added a few pictures

luvinlife

I am moving up from a 22 express cruiser to a 270 FV and couldn't be more excited.  The boat seems to have been meticulously maintained and has 395 hours on the Volvo 5.7 GI.  I have been diligently reading all of the great information on this site and have a pretty good feel for the pros and cons. The 5.7 may be a littler under-powered, but typically it will just be 2 - 4 people on board. It has heat and AC, windlass and full camper canvas. It does not have the arch (which I really wish it had). Getting a compression test tomorrow and then sea trial Friday.

BellevilleMXZ

Nice! You'll love it, I have the same combo, and only time I wish for more power is if I get about 8 people on.

MDboater

Most important question: does is have a Volvo XDP outdrive?  This is the outdrive made from a composite material and it has created problems for many people.

BellevilleMXZ

MDboater said:

Most important question: does is have a Volvo XDP outdrive?  This is the outdrive made from a composite material and it has created problems for many people.

Ohhh forgot about that.

BellevilleMXZ

MDboater said:

Most important question: does is have a Volvo XDP outdrive?  This is the outdrive made from a composite material and it has created problems for many people.

Were they mostly used in salt water? I have never seen any up this way.

luvinlife

It has a Volvo outdrive with duo props but I am not sure of the model. Hope it's not the bad one!  I will be pulling it out on Friday as part of the sea trial if the compression test passes. Are all of the Volvo duo props the XPD? It is and has been a salt water boat. 

luvinlife

Looks like the XDP outdrive is black and exhausts through the hub. I did perk at the outdrive on my personal inspection and it looked like it wax ablative painted Andy gag the exhaust was above the prop. Hope it isn't the XPD 

MDboater

I would not buy a boat with the XDP outdrives unless the price was discounted to account for replacement of the outdrive and transom assembly.  This assumes that I can be certain that the engine was not compromised by an earlier outdrive problem. 

Here is a link to some info on a class action lawsuit against Volvo.  

"The majority of complaints outline concerns related to 2006 and 2007 models, including about 2,400 boats with 5.7-liter and 8.1-liter engines equipped with XDP outdrives."

http://www.yourlawyer.com/topics/overview/faulty-volvo-xdp-class-action-lawsuit

J3ff

I passed up a  2005 270 with a bow thruster for 25,000 because of the drive and engine being a volvo.. (I mean I guess in the end the one I chose was a pos too haha)

MDboater

It's a really bad situation in that many Volvo owners have outdrives that work fine but are a high risk to anyone who buys them.  When looking at used boat prices you can pick most of the Volvo powered boats because they are priced lower than the same model with Mercruiser power.  Caveat emptor.

IMHO, Volvo didn't do nearly enough for it's customers to correct the issue.

luvinlife

I will let you all know what outdrive it has. If it's the XDP I will back out. 

J3ff

Also - if you want the arch, get one with the arch.  There's a couple things I settled for (no arch was one of them) and if I could do the whole thing over again i wouldn't settle at all. 

luvinlife

Just heard back from the broker and the outdrive is not the composite XDP, thank God!  J3ff, I hear you regarding the arch. The deal I got is excellent. Low enough to that I could add the arch and still be happy with the price. Probably won't be adding radar, just like the look of an arch. 

Handymans342

Dont believe broker. Wait for surveyor. 

BellevilleMXZ

MDboater said:

It's a really bad situation in that many Volvo owners have outdrives that work fine but are a high risk to anyone who buys them.  When looking at used boat prices you can pick most of the Volvo powered boats because they are priced lower than the same model with Mercruiser power.  Caveat emptor.

IMHO, Volvo didn't do nearly enough for it's customers to correct the issue.

Your saying ALL Volvo boats, are priced lower? I don't agree with that, there is certainly nothing wrong with a regular Volvo DP drive/engine combo, nor have I found them priced lower, with the exception of the junk XDP drives.

randy56

a couple Pro's and con's of arch

 Pro's - Look cool, great place for lights, tv antenna, flags, ect.

Con - sticks up over 12'  going down the road on the trailer, Watch out for tree limbs ect. you have to have a tall door, 13 ft,  for winter storage, setting on the trailer. 

Good luck luvin, the 270 is a great adorable, trailer-able,  affordable, family cruiser.

Run - if it has XDP drive

MDboater

BellevilleMXZ said:

MDboater said:

It's a really bad situation in that many Volvo owners have outdrives that work fine but are a high risk to anyone who buys them.  When looking at used boat prices you can pick most of the Volvo powered boats because they are priced lower than the same model with Mercruiser power.  Caveat emptor.

IMHO, Volvo didn't do nearly enough for it's customers to correct the issue.

Your saying ALL Volvo boats, are priced lower? I don't agree with that, there is certainly nothing wrong with a regular Volvo DP drive/engine combo, nor have I found them priced lower, with the exception of the junk XDP drives.

No, I did not mean to say or imply that all Volvo powered boats are priced lower.  What I was trying say was that most of the sterndrive powered boats that are at the lower end of the price range or low priced outliers have Volvo power.  Almost all of these lower prices are related to the XDP drives.  There are plenty of sellers that have their Volvo XDP powered boats price comparable with Bravo 3 boats.  I'm sure there are buyers that don't know about the problem and will buy these boats.  

 I completely agree that the problem is confined to the XDP drive.  The OceanX drives get terrific reviews.   Given the Bravo 3 problems with bearing carrier, swivel shaft, and water pickup line corrosion there are good arguments that the OceanX is a superior drive. 

Cableguy Greg

There is a 2005 310 in the Raystown Lake area of PA that has the XDP drives. They have the thing discounted to $50k. It is a beautiful boat, but those drives have scared people away. I wonder if the drives can be swapped for the traditional metal duoprop drives that Volvo offers verses putting the ocean X drive on since this particular one is a fresh water boat?

MDboater

As I understand it, changing out the XDP drive (regardless of what you replace it with) requires an engine removal and transom assembly change.  Expect to pay $15-20K per engine for the job.

Dream_Inn

$50k really isn't a discount for a 2005 310.  I've seen same year 342 go for that.

Several people on here have replaced the drives, they could definitely tell you the cost.  I had thought it was 20-25k for both engines/drives, but that's off memory.

checkmate

Thanks for the shout out @shawnmjr.   Lol.  Its still for sale .   

Liberty44140

X2 on Dream's comments. When I was shopping I looked at 342's with the composite volvo drives and I knew the issues. Looked like the cost of the drive itself was no more than $10k per drive so up to $25k for the entire twin drive job. That was for the mac daddy Ocean X drive. I ended up going with Merc's. 

MDboater

Liberty44140 said:

X2 on Dream's comments. When I was shopping I looked at 342's with the composite volvo drives and I knew the issues. Looked like the cost of the drive itself was no more than $10k per drive so up to $25k for the entire twin drive job. That was for the mac daddy Ocean X drive. I ended up going with Merc's. 

$9K for the drive plus $4100 for transom shied assembly plus $400 for the Y pipe plus labor to yank the engine and replace all of the parts plus rehub the props.  

rasbury

Yikes! And I thought my 1300 bill for my coupler was a problem.....I need to sell my boat quick!

luvinlife

Confirmed that the outdrive is a standard DP and not an XPD.  The mechanic inspection and compression test went well. Needs the serpentine belt replaced but no other issues. Sea trial, survey and bottom inspection this Friday. 

raybo3

Good luck, wish you the best.....

BellevilleMXZ

MDboater said:

BellevilleMXZ said:

MDboater said:

It's a really bad situation in that many Volvo owners have outdrives that work fine but are a high risk to anyone who buys them.  When looking at used boat prices you can pick most of the Volvo powered boats because they are priced lower than the same model with Mercruiser power.  Caveat emptor.

IMHO, Volvo didn't do nearly enough for it's customers to correct the issue.

Your saying ALL Volvo boats, are priced lower? I don't agree with that, there is certainly nothing wrong with a regular Volvo DP drive/engine combo, nor have I found them priced lower, with the exception of the junk XDP drives.

No, I did not mean to say or imply that all Volvo powered boats are priced lower.  What I was trying say was that most of the sterndrive powered boats that are at the lower end of the price range or low priced outliers have Volvo power.  Almost all of these lower prices are related to the XDP drives.  There are plenty of sellers that have their Volvo XDP powered boats price comparable with Bravo 3 boats.  I'm sure there are buyers that don't know about the problem and will buy these boats.  

 I completely agree that the problem is confined to the XDP drive.  The OceanX drives get terrific reviews.   Given the Bravo 3 problems with bearing carrier, swivel shaft, and water pickup line corrosion there are good arguments that the OceanX is a superior drive. 

ok sorry my bad

06Rinker270

I have the same boat(except I am Merc).  No arch on mine and besides the look, the only downside that I have found is lighting from above.  I wish I had the lights facing down to the cockpit for night hours.  Love the boat.

Show some pics!   

luvinlife

If the surveys and sea trial pass, I will gladly post pictures,Trying not to get excited just yet! 

Michael T

@luvinlife (good handle BTW) I know what's it's like to await boat information. Minutes seem like, well YEARS!!!! Good luck, fingers crossed!

Stodge

When we bought our 342 we had closed and went to clean the boat.  Then the broker come and told us we had to leave.  Turns out he did not have the title at closing, the seller was sick (triple by-pass) and the family (adult children) didn't want him to sell and told the marina they didn't want anybody on "their" boat.  Took a week (which felt like years) to get things nailed down.