I know nothing about anchors

dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
I need someone to explain  anchors ,what size And type I need  for when I go to the Bahamas. My boat which is 8232 Captiva has an anchor locker in the front with one that you just toss overboard it's round ,it is bigger the bottom and it  scoops into the mud I've used it one time and like to never got it back on board, it hung up on the bumper strip that goes around the boat . I had a pounding headache at the time then might had something to do with it. Is there any kind of set up I can get for this that would allow it to be dropped and retrieved without banging at the side of my boat I didn't like that at all I'm thinking like putting a winch on it or something but it needs to hang over the front of the boat someway any help would be appreciated 

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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You need a plow type for the soft sandy bottoms. 
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Your really starting from scratch! Not familiar with your boat but assume if you have a locker, you can install a windless anchor system. With that you would a rail that sticks out beyond the bow so the anchor is held out from the bow and that banging in to it.
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Member, Moderator Posts: 7,661 mod
    Sounds like what you are desiring is a bow pulpit with a windlass.  Once you have one, you'll never want to go back to the manual way of pulling up an anchor.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    Of course, the windlass will make your wallet lighter and your boat heavier!  

    Here's what you need:

    1) Find out the typical type of bottom where you want to anchor.  That will help you pick the right anchor.

    2) Find out the typical depth where you want to anchor.  That will tell you many feet of rode (chain plus anchor) you need on your anchor (using the 7-to-1 rule).  

    3) Once you get the new anchor and rode, learn how to properly set the anchor.  You can't just toss it overboard like with your old mushroom anchor.  You need to back the boat down and set the anchor.

    There's plenty of material on the web for this stuff.  
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I;m not sure what would be typical in the keys and where your allowed to anchor! You sure don't want to be tearing up any reefs with a big ol anchor, I'm sure FWC would take a very dim view of that. Short of that, I'd think your anchor would be in sandy locations. Perhaps an email to one of the marinas in that area would fill in the blank spaces.
  • Glassguy54Glassguy54 Member Posts: 588 ✭✭✭
    Don't know if your boat has the beach re-boarding ladder in the bow like our 246 has, but trying to install a windlass on ours would require major modifications that I'm not willing to undertake for a day boat. I have a beach anchor, basically a big auger, a Danforth style fluke anchor, and a claw type anchor - different anchors for different bottom conditions. 
  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Dream_Inn said:
    Sounds like what you are desiring is a bow pulpit with a windlass.  Once you have one, you'll never want to go back to the manual way of pulling up an anchor.
    like i said,i no nothing about anchors,i see the term windless a lot but do not no what this is. im looking for some direction as to what i need and how to set everything up,cost, ect.
  • Cableguy GregCableguy Greg Member Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    A windlass, which is a motor that raises and lowers the anchor, won't fit on your 232cc without major mods to the bow. On my old 232cc, I had a plow type anchor which worked pretty well on the muddy/rocky river bottoms around Pittsburgh. The one thing that I needed for sure was more than 3' for chain. It wasn't enough to hold the anchor tight in a current. The other issue with the 232 is that there isn't a ton of room for the anchor and the rode(rope). I had 50' of rode on my old boat and that was plenty. I used 3/8" line for the rode which was more than enough to hold the boat.
    2008 280 Express Cruiser, 6.2MPI, B3, Pittsburgh, PA "Blue Ayes"
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    edited December 2016
    Here's the important thing about anchors: they hold best when you are pulling horizontally - not up.  

    To make the boat pull horizontally on the anchor:

    (1) You need some chain between the anchor and the rope.  The chain adds weight to help keep a better angle on the anchor.  The more chain, the better it will hold.  Of course, if you have too much chain, it's harder to retrieve the anchor because it's heavier.

    (2) The length of the chain plus rope (together called the "rode") has to be long enough that the chain will lay flat along the bottom, even when the boat is pulling on it.  The usual rule is 7-to-1 ... the length of the rode is seven times the vertical height from your bow to the anchor.  For example, if your bow is 10' above the anchor, you need 70' of rode to get a really strong set.  If you put out less than 70', you will still get some holding power, but there's more risk that the anchor will drag.  And if you only put out 15 feet, the anchor won't really hold at all.  
  • davidbrooksdavidbrooks Member Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭✭
    Came across this site that is really informative. http://www.go2marine.com/productcenters/anchoring/.  Everything that has been discussed so far is right on the money.  The only thing that hasn't been talked about is anchor weight.  

    A Rough Guide -

    1lb a foot is a starting point and not too bad a one but only a guide. From there you adjust for the varying factors. So i have a 37ft boat i would want at least a 40Lb anchor. 

    Increase the size if –

    • You have a heavier boat than the average
    • If you have lots of windage i.e. a big solid fly bridge, a ketch and etc
    • You are a big wide boat
    • You have a big blunt bow on your boat
    • You are a nervous sleeper or are 'out to lunch' when you are asleep
    • You have a lightweight rode behind the anchor
    • You are planning extended coastal or offshore trips
    • You boat is an area the weather changes fast
    • You are planning on using older anchor designs

    While it is not recommended to go much smaller, some smaller boats can drop a small amount if -

    • You only day fish and don't overnight on your boat
    • You never leave your boat on anchor
    • Know what seabed type you will be over all the time i.e. get a specialised type anchor
    • You never boat when there is wind over 10knts and waves
    • You have a skinny lightweight style of boat
    • You use a real big rode behind it.
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  • Glassguy54Glassguy54 Member Posts: 588 ✭✭✭
    A Fortress FX7 is an aluminum anchor specified for boats between 16-27ft (other sizes available) and weighs only 4lbs. It is a Danforth style fluke anchor, so may not perform well in all seabeds, but gets consistently stellar reviews. Around 100 bucks.
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Member, Moderator Posts: 7,661 mod
    Fortress is definitely one of the best anchors made, especially for the weight ratio to holding power.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Was kinda thinkn i might get eletric winch,remove the steel cable,replace it with some good rope with chain added befor anchor. Mount the winch to the top of the anchor hatch sense it wont fit inside the locker.also add something that protrudes over the tip of the bow with a roller to keep tge anchor from catching on my boat and cratching it up and to help keep everything in line while taken anchor up.do you all think something like this could work with the correct anchor in the bahanas?
  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    Not gonna work.  The winch would need to have a huge spool to hold the entire anchor rode.  A windlass just grabs the rode and feeds it into the anchor locker.  
  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    LaRea said:
    Not gonna work.  The winch would need to have a huge spool to hold the entire anchor rode.  A windlass just grabs the rode and feeds it into the anchor locker.  
    O i c,well there goes that idea. Told u i no nothing bout anchors
  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    Well, actually there are some products for deckboats that you could consider, such as this:

    http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=TRAC-Deckboat-35-Auto-Deploy-Anchor-Winch&i=848699

    But, two major problems.  The max rope diameter is only 0.2", which only gives you enough strength for day anchoring in light weather.  And it only holds 100 feet of rope, so you can't anchor in water deeper than 15-20 feet.  
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,391 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds like to fix your problem you Mears need to buy a bigger boat. This is a problem solving forum!
  • howardramshowardrams Member Posts: 223 ✭✭✭
    dwolf,

    The round anchor you described sounds like a mushroom type, not much good really.  A plow type or fluke style hold better.  If your locker on the bow is big enough and if there is room to put a hole in the bottom of it to drop the 100 or so feet of rope you'll need to be drawn through the windlass/winch, it's not hard to install or have a dealer do it.  An anchor roller/bracket can be anywhere from $10 to $100, a windlass ranges about $150 to $400. Most people secure the end of their anchor rope to a bolt on inside behind your bow-eye (so anchor doesn't go overboard if your windlass pays out too much line).  Feed the rope up through the hole in the locker, mount the windlass, put about 20 feet of chain between the rope and the anchor, run your 12V power to it, etc.  The hardest part is making sure everywhere you drill and run bolts through goes into a reinforced area with some structure strong enough to handle the loads.

    I assume your boat is the cuddy.  I wouldn't bother with a windlass on a bow rider.

    You can do a search on this site for "install windlass" and see one a guy did in 2015 on his 276cc.

    Here's a typical install picture, as well.

     

  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    Thank you yes my boat is the Cuddy it's a 232 Captiva  and my anchor locker is not very big   In fact I have trouble getting the locker door closed when I put the anchor I have inside of it I have to really do some maneuvering with it to get it in there where it fits  Apparently they didn't intend on these boats needing  very much  anchor 
  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    rasbury said:
    Sounds like to fix your problem you Mears need to buy a bigger boat. This is a problem solving forum!
     I had already thought of this but for making one trip I just couldn't see putting out the extra money for a bigger boat because my boat does great for where I normally Boat it's just the right size who knows I may decide to go on another trip to the Bahamas after this I don't know
  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    LaRea said:
    Well, actually there are some products for deckboats that you could consider, such as this:

    http://www.overtons.com/modperl/product/details.cgi?pdesc=TRAC-Deckboat-35-Auto-Deploy-Anchor-Winch&i=848699

    But, two major problems.  The max rope diameter is only 0.2", which only gives you enough strength for day anchoring in light weather.  And it only holds 100 feet of rope, so you can't anchor in water deeper than 15-20 feet.                                                                    I took a look at that anchor  set up it looks like it could possibly get me bye I don't plan on anchoring in Deepwater of course you never know and hopefully I'm in a protected harbor thing storm comes up. I could always keep an extra anchor on board and set it by hand if I need it wouldn't that work  I've been boating for years and I've never used an  anchor 
  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    Never used an anchor?  Interesting.  How do you normally use your boat?  Is it mainly a ski boat?

    What I mean is, what's a typical day on the water for you?  For my boat, a typical day is to drive 15-45 minutes, drop anchor, and spend the day relaxing -- either alone or tied up with other boating friends.  The only time I don't use the anchor is when we go to another marina and spend the night.  
  • dwolfdwolf Member Posts: 157 ✭✭
    LaRea said:
    Never used an anchor?  Interesting.  How do you normally use your boat?  Is it mainly a ski boat?

    What I mean is, what's a typical day on the water for you?  For my boat, a typical day is to drive 15-45 minutes, drop anchor, and spend the day relaxing -- either alone or tied up with other boating friends.  The only time I don't use the anchor is when we go to another marina and spend the night.  
     Why are use my boat tubing and the use of skiing and a lot of sightseeing more than anything but when I tie up but usually with a bunch of other boats and they usually have the anchor so I've never had to use one I've used mine one time and I like to never got it back on board I had a really bad migraine headache that night when I went to pull the anchor back up seem like it took hours.and whenever I'm in a cove somewhere or something I just watched the drift of my boat and start up and move it when I need to, that gets to be a kind of a pain in the butt every once in a while but it's not as much of a pain in the butt is dropping anchor and having to pull it all back on board by hand I hated that 
  • Cableguy GregCableguy Greg Member Posts: 5,025 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You could store the anchor and rode in the black bin in the engine room. I am not sure of the depths heading out to Bimini, but I would have at least 200+ feet of anchor line on board.
    2008 280 Express Cruiser, 6.2MPI, B3, Pittsburgh, PA "Blue Ayes"
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