Multiple failures of Merc power steering hose

LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
edited September 2021 in Rinker Express Cruisers Forum
Starting a new thread:  Why would my power steering hose fail three times in three years?
It's the high-pressure hose from the pump to the steering ram.  All three times, it failed at the quick-release connector on the ram:
3/2019:  slow leak
7/2020:  hose blew out of fitting at cruise speed
9/2021:  hose blew out of fitting at cruise speed
It's not an issue with the pump or ram.  A few months ago, while troubleshooting a separate issue, I replaced the ram and swapped the port/stbd pumps.
I'm using OEM parts:  Quicksilver 32-8M0063021.  This part is rated for 2250 psi.  I think most steering pumps run around 1200 psi.  
Aside from the obvious inconvenience and cost ($150 each), this is a dangerous fail.  When the steering goes away at 3900 RPM, the boat turns hard to starboard.  Imagine that happening in a narrow channel.  
So I'm looking for suggestions and guesses.  
--Anxious in Alexandria




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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anything made after covid is suspect due to the labor pool and shortage. 
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  • aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Could the oil cooler be clogged causing high pressure?
    2008 330EC
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    The cooler is on the ram's output side.  That's low pressure -- probably 10 PSI or less.  Handy - the one I installed today is date-stamped March 2020, so before widespread labor shortages.  
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Couple dumb  questions.

    any kinks in any of the hoses going to or from the power steering pumps/ram?

    Any chance there is a foreign object like the aluminum seal on a bottle of atf/ps fluid  that could be inside the reservoir?

    How hard is it to move the outdrive and steering cable by hand back/forth.

    I'm trying to figure out what would be causing excess pressure.   I highly doubt a power steering pump would put out too much pressure but an obstruction like a hose kink or a sticking steering pivot pin could.  
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  • YYZRCYYZRC Member Posts: 5,464 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited September 2021
    Would be interesting to add a pressure gauge. Seems like your failures happen at higher RPMs. How does the pump maintain consistent pressure regardless of RPM (or does it)?
    2006 390 EC
    2008 350 EC
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  • aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it possible that you’re using the wrong power steering fluid and it’s too thick?
    2008 330EC
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,371 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I hope it's not this thick 
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  • WillhoundWillhound Member Posts: 4,242 ✭✭✭✭✭
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  • davidbrooksdavidbrooks Member Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭✭
    Failure of the PS pressure regulator. 
    It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere!
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  • aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    davidbrooks said:
    Failure of the PS pressure regulator. 
    He swapped pumps and had the same issue. Would be strange to lose two.
    2008 330EC
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not call the Merc engineers??
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    @PickleRick - good questions.

    > any kinks in any of the hoses going to or from the power steering pumps/ram?

    The high-pressure hose is a relatively straight run.  No tight turns or constrictions.

    > Any chance there is a foreign object like the aluminum seal on a bottle of atf/ps fluid  that could be inside the reservoir?

    A constriction inside the steering ram would make sense, but the third fail happened with a brand-new ram.  

    > How hard is it to move the outdrive and steering cable by hand back/forth.

    Disconnected steering cable from ram -- cable moves freely.  Disconnected autopilot cable from ram - cable moves freely.  The port outdrive moves easily by hand, but I haven't verified the stbd outdrive.  

    And the first two failures pre-dated my recent engine room rebuild, so it's probably not related to that.  

    @aero3113 I only use OEM fluid (Quicksilver).
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    Handymans342 said:
    Why not call the Merc engineers??
    I guess that's my next move.  But you guys take questions on weekends!
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  • davidbrooksdavidbrooks Member Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭✭
    aero3113 said:
    davidbrooks said:
    Failure of the PS pressure regulator. 
    He swapped pumps and had the same issue. Would be strange to lose two.
    Unless they had been replaced by a previous owner with rebuilt PS pumps. 
    It's 5 O'Clock Somewhere!
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  • aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    davidbrooks said:
    aero3113 said:
    davidbrooks said:
    Failure of the PS pressure regulator. 
    He swapped pumps and had the same issue. Would be strange to lose two.
    Unless they had been replaced by a previous owner with rebuilt PS pumps. 
    Possible but would think he would’ve had a failure on the other engine also.
    2008 330EC
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  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 921 ✭✭✭
    You had a previous post about stiff and jerky steering, did you fix that problem?
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    @Grahamu The jerky feel went away.  The steering effort is still slightly higher than I think it should be.  
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  • aero3113aero3113 Member Posts: 9,853 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LaRea said:
    @Grahamu The jerky feel went away.  The steering effort is still slightly higher than I think it should be.  
    The stiffness could be the cause of the hose failures.
    2008 330EC
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    The issue with steering effort came up this spring after the engine room renovation.  The first two hose failures happened before that.  I don't think the two are connected, but I'm not ruling anything out.  
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 8,070 mod
    When the power steering is working, I can let go of the wheel and the boat runs straight.  When there's no power steering and both engines are running, it pulls hard to starboard.  
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