Decisions...decisions...

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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stodge. You seem very indecisive. Life is too short. Get moving!! LOL
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  • StodgeStodge Member Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭✭
    We like the rum runners.  Might show the admiral this one.

    2002 FV 342 on Lake St. Clair - Past Commodore SHC - Vessel Examiner USCGAUX

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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Stodge said:
    We like the rum runners.  Might show the admiral this one.
    You need a vacation in Florida anyway
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  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Member Posts: 4,379 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That is a nice boat! Bow and stern thrusters, nice!
    07' Cruisers 390 (Previous Rinker's: 06' 342EC & 01' 310FV)

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  • StodgeStodge Member Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭✭
    Liberty44140 said:
    That is a nice boat! Bow and stern thrusters, nice!
    Mainship did that on the 31 as well.

    2002 FV 342 on Lake St. Clair - Past Commodore SHC - Vessel Examiner USCGAUX

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  • cls10105cls10105 Member Posts: 352 ✭✭
    Sounds to me you have put a lot of thought into your decision and i have the same boat without the new engine and we love it. We have had some problems but most of the time you guys walk me through it. It is usually just me and the wife and we have plenty of room. But we are making payments on this one and a dock slip and dont even want to think about more money right now...lol
    cruising on 6. tw0s
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    LaRea said:
    I don't get hung up on fuel costs.  Buying fuel feels painful and immediate because I pay it straight out of my pocket, but I always remind myself that fuel makes up only 25% of my overall boating budget.  Even if I could cut my fuel cost in half, it would only reduce my overall cost by 12%.  
    Whats the other 75%???
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  • reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Beer
    Scotch 
    Dock fees
    Maintenance 
    Food
    Decoration 
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
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  • reneechris14reneechris14 Member Posts: 3,134 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a rum runner at dock it is a very nice boat. Jusy my two cents you should keep the 342 till you retire. Your vacations are short because you have to return to work, so you need the speed to be able to see the things you want to see in a week. When you retire you can go slow.
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    reneechris14 said:
    Beer
    Scotch 
    Dock fees
    Maintenance 
    Food
    Decoration 
    That's the cheap part!!
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  • LaReaLaRea Member, Moderator Posts: 7,747 mod
    Stodge said:
    ...  Since I dock at the house my biggest expenses for the boat are fuel and Winter storage.  Unless something breaks.  :(
    Is that really true?  The $70k you have invested in the boat could be earning returns of how much per year?  And if it's financed, how much do you pay in interest each year?  That's the cost of money.  And how much do you pay every year for maintenance, toys, upgrades and the rest?  Waxing, bottom paint?  Insurance?  Depreciation, as your little beauty becomes worth 5% less every year despite your best efforts?  

    Not to mention, what's your annual cost to maintain a pier and bulkheads?  Yeesh!

    If you really do have fuel as your biggest cost, I envy you. 
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  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,395 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a whole different world when you move into that big of a boat...
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  • DanD2DanD2 Member Posts: 848 ✭✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    We would never recommend a diesel for a recreational boat.  They are slow, stink, much higher service cost if you can find a tech at all.  Mercruiser gas applications are the most common in the USA anywhere you can find a service tech easily.    We do service diesels , Cummins and Volvo, but only for our commercial customers.     Time is a precious commodity, don’t waste it driving a stinky diesel. Al 
    Oh boy........wait for it...............
    No longer a boat owner.....previous boat - 2005 Rinker Fiesta Vee 342
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So a trawler is not a recreational boat???
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    Dan.  I am ready,    there are so many reasons why NEWER VOLVO AND MERCURY diesels are not in recreational pleasure boats.     
    Corrected for you.  Otherwise you could pick up an old diesel powered beatrum for less than a 1994 honda civic.  

    Between the special scanners/coding volvo/merc uses to access the obd and epa screwing with the simplicity of the diesel engines most new diesels suck compared to the older ones.  
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  • StodgeStodge Member Posts: 2,738 ✭✭✭✭
    LaRea said:
    Stodge said:
    ...  Since I dock at the house my biggest expenses for the boat are fuel and Winter storage.  Unless something breaks.  :(
    Is that really true?  The $70k you have invested in the boat could be earning returns of how much per year?  And if it's financed, how much do you pay in interest each year?  That's the cost of money.  And how much do you pay every year for maintenance, toys, upgrades and the rest?  Waxing, bottom paint?  Insurance?  Depreciation, as your little beauty becomes worth 5% less every year despite your best efforts?  

    Not to mention, what's your annual cost to maintain a pier and bulkheads?  Yeesh!

    If you really do have fuel as your biggest cost, I envy you. 
    In a normal season, no fuel is not our highest boating expense.  But we like to throw in a 300 mile trip in some seasons.  We've taken a 875 mile trip and have a 700 mile trip planned.  On those years yes fuel is the number 1 expense.

    That's why the math says to keep the 342.  We don't/can't make many of the longer trips because of that whole "go to work" thing.  If I buy a $100k boat my payments nearly double.  The difference would buy a LOT of fuel.

    I agree with @reneechris14 on that idea, but I'll be in less of a position to buy a trawler at retirement than I am now.  That's why I was thinking get the next boat while I can pay for it.  

    Who knows, the admiral my change my mind before long.  :)

     

    2002 FV 342 on Lake St. Clair - Past Commodore SHC - Vessel Examiner USCGAUX

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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    No trawlers are not recreational.  Ever see a happy trawler captain? I didn’t think so.  These old oil burning slugs are do slow and cumbersome. 
    Really Al Really?? 
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Old mainship semi displacement trawlers are known to cause anxiety and depression among their owners.  12 to 15 knots with a single screw 120 hp tractor style oil burner has got to be a real buzz kill on a 34 footer.


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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Use rubber gloves like real mechanics. Duhhhh
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Handymans342 said:
    Use rubber gloves like real TECHNICIANS. Duhhhh
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Someone should tell all those Europeans diesels dont make for good stern drive planing hull boats. 
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well my Yanmars and B2s were awesome
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The extended fuel range alone is worth the sacrifice of a few mph.  

    Back in the 80s and early 90s, volvo penta outdrives were dead reliable aq series and the EPA hasn't ruined diesels.  You could get many of your diesel engine parts at you're local diesel tractor shop.  The only electronics were a 12v fuel cut off solenoid, alternator and starter.  

    An industrial/commercial engine is by nature more reliable than a car/truck motor.  Back then diesel was cheaper than gas too.

    Oh yeah let's not forget that diesel fumes dont go boom.  
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I havent seen diesel higher than gas at any marina
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Coming from sailboats i consider 20 to 30 mph fast.  Fast is very relative term. My retirement and even semi retirement plans involve long distance crusing and limiting my trips to shore.  Not only have Florida marinas gone stupid high price wise but many safe anchorage spots are no longer cruiser friendly for needing a day or two to drop anchor for service, repairs, rest,  avoiding some bad weather or even getting supplies. Squeezing every last mile out of the tank is very important to both off shore fishers and cruisers alike.

    When it comes to cruising the saying "if you're in a rush, you're doing it wrong" is rarely untrue.   

    The Cummins is a good motor but there were many, lighter, more fuel efficient diesels available before the 4 and 6 bt came along.  The Germans and japs all had great diesels.  When i think of a Cummins running i think the fillings in my teeth coming loose.  Great work horse engine but that torque pulse from the long stroke engine is something id not wanna deal with in anyting but the largest of commercial trawlers.  

    I have a volvo 290 sitting in my garage waiting on a diesel conversion project to come along.  Waiting on someone who has a diesel gear drive who'll trade me for my v8 gear.  Someone like you who for some reason doesn't like diesels.

    The aq will handle tons of abuse then ask for more. Easy and cheap to service too.  I love motor oil for foot oil. Volvo penta used to be brilliant and the average joe could keep his own boat going for decades

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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Handymans342 said:
    I havent seen diesel higher than gas at any marina
    I've never priced it at a marina but as both my vehicles are diesel i see it at the pump.  I also trailer weekly so i always fill up the boat before hitting the lake
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In Florida its 289 for diesel and 379 for 90 octane
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @PickleRick. I dont know how much you have dealt with Yanmar but they are #1 with torque to weight ratio and great reliability
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yanmar makes many engines for many manufacturers.  Toyotas land cruiser line included.   Saudi royalty, aussie bush people and the Taliban all choose them for their off road capability and reliabilty.  
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  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12 ✭
    Ok so I'm confused. What's the question? My rinker with 8.1L does better then most diesels...my 45 hatteras sport fish with the 6v92's gets up on plane in about 6 sec. My rinker takes about 10 sec. Mine is equipped with 8 1 v drives...the reason  I say it's better is does anyone know the price of gas vs diesel at the dock..  lol 
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