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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    EpicStory said:
    Ok so I'm confused. What's the question? My rinker with 8.1L does better then most diesels...my 45 hatteras sport fish with the 6v92's gets up on plane in about 6 sec. My rinker takes about 10 sec. Mine is equipped with 8 1 v drives...the reason  I say it's better is does anyone know the price of gas vs diesel at the dock..  lol 
    Yes like a dollar diff here
  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Member Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You still get back to the cost and weight of a diesel.  You just cannot get the payback vs gas on anything smaller than 40’ of boat. 

    Diesel fuel does have the no explosive fumes bonus. It does grow critters in that fuel too. They are extremely intolerant of proper maintenance too....and extremely expensive to repair. 

    I’m a fan of diesels, just in the right application. Been there with the repair costs too. lol. They are not shade tree mechanic serviceable. 

    Past owner of a 2003 342FV
    PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Dont tell all those shamrock and dusky guys that their sub 30 ft diesel converted boats wont give them any payback.  For most, its not fuel savings, due to diesel prices even if you cut your crusing speed gph in half it would take years to pay for itsself.  The biggest perk is increased range from the diesels fuel efficiency.  

    You say diesels are not shade tree serviceable, new diesels are not shade tree serviceable. Up until the EPA ruined both 2 stroke and diesel engines they were very serviceable by owners.  











  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Member Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭✭✭
    agreed on the range increase. Unless you are open ocean, does it really matter?  I can run 6 hours straight (Lake Michigan). That is a long time on the water. lol. I’ve done 10 hrs in a day. A fuel stop is almost welcomed. 😁

    Always opinions on the EPA and emissions. Your car engine goes 100k miles without a tune up. 2, 3 even 4x the power per cubic inch than years past. Diesels were late to the game with the tier III and IV emissions kicking in, even those are over 2x the power in the same displacement. No black soot staining everything too...or the stink. Quieter too. 

    Just no getting around the tech / electronics on new engines. Heck, my snowblower is fuel injected! 

    Past owner of a 2003 342FV
    PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To fish the stream in South Carolina you need to go 40 to 60 miles out, range is a huge deal.

    In an inland cruiser it's not as big of a deal although doing the icw (there are a few nice spots in the Carolinas to visit on the icw) the added range is nice, you won't need to be stressing about that fuel needle. 

    The idi diesels are quieter but dont get the efficiency of di engines. 

    I always found that what made a diesel louder or quieter wasn't the injection system/head, its the engine stroke.  The 3.0 mercedes diesels make nearly the same hp as a cummins 3.9 4bt.  The 3.0 weighs half as much and has a much broader torque range, shes happy at or slightly above 3500 rpms.  A 4bt sounds like it's going to grenade above 2200.    

    As for mainance on many of the diesels i work with its a timing belt/water pump every 60 to 70k.  Oil change and fuel filter every 10k.  The 7.3 engines are 5 k oil changes.  We dont work with any new cummins.  The kubotas we deal with are equal to a 50s farm tractor.  About as simple as rock paper scissors



  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @PickleRick. Have you worked on any VW diesels???
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Yes. I own 3 vw passat tdi (04-05) with the 2.0 BHW engines.  My daily driver is a 5 speed stage 2 tune with 5 speed conversion. She's 300 ft lbs of 228mm clutch eating torque @ 1900 rpms.  She's got the balance shaft delete using ALH 1.9 tdi oil pump/chain.  

    At 170 hp and current torque range she also makes the same power or more as all but the heavy duty commercial marinized 250 hp 4bt engine and does so at 400lbs, half the weight of the 4bt.  With rod upgrades and head studs i can also make 250 hp and 450 ft lbs of torque.  Only i can do it at higher rpms without eating a bravo or vp outdrive for lunch.

    I should also mention i own a ross tech **** com which is the same as having dealer licensed software. I got the older one with unlimited vin reads.

    My only issue with maranizing is the exhaust conversion.  The making the back of the block look like a 1988 small block chevy is the easy part.  Keeping the engine bay sub 175 degrees is the deal breaker
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @PickleRick. Any experience doing a delete on the 6.7 Cummins?
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a negative.  I don't personally own any Cummins nor does my shop.  I will get my first taste of the bullet proofing on a ford 6.0 diesel as soon as i get another lift delivered to the shop.  

    Other than the killer dowel pin i didn't relazie cummins had anyting to delete.  Most of the conversions I've done have used the isuzu 4bd1t or 4bd2t 3.9 liter engines.  Direct competitor of the Cummins 4bt but a little more street friendly rpm range, not by much. 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Delete EGR and DEF. Delete intake heater. Add intake and air box. Fairly simple and then you need to reprogram. 
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sound like good things to delete.  The egr on my passat is deleted as well.  I had the programming done along with stage 2 tune and 5 speed reflash. 


    Exhaust fluid sounds like a bad joke.
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sound like good things to delete.  The egr on my passat is deleted as well.  I had the programming done along with stage 2 tune and 5 speed reflash. 


    Exhaust fluid sounds like a bad joke.
    DEF is past the engine so I dont know how that effects any performance
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Member Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Alswagg said:
    Handy if you attempt to circumvent the emissions on your truck you can be fined 3 beers and a bottle of Tequila.  Must be sent to Syracuse Indiana.  You know the address 
    I will be there after the warranty is done. 
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited October 2019
    Sound like good things to delete.  The egr on my passat is deleted as well.  I had the programming done along with stage 2 tune and 5 speed reflash. 


    Exhaust fluid sounds like a bad joke.
    DEF is past the engine so I dont know how that effects any performance
    It's another non necessary system added to diesels which requires maintenance.  Like the smog pump on gas engines of the 70s.  An EGR is at least good for diesels in cold temps as diesels are not super efficient when they can't get up around nomral running temps(the reason tuckers put covers over their radiators in the winter).  Im not familiar with the egr system on the Cummins but this is how it works on the vw engines.

    I consider def equivalent to the oil passage injectors on my 7.3, they took a simple diesel engine that just needed filters and oil change every 10k and now it needs an oil change every 5k.    Thanks EPA.  Now I need double the oil over the life of my vehicle.  Good job conserving non renewable resources.  Im sure it wasn't just the epa on the hpop systems, its cheaper manufacture an hpop diesel injection system than it is an injection pump.  When someone spends 80k or more on a work truck, we want what saves the manufacturer the most cash right cause that's means reliabilty and efficiency for us the consumer


    I miss the days when a diesels electronics were a 12v fuel cut off solenoid on the side of an injection pump, a starter and an alternator.  

    Im glad i live i a state with no inspections.






  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2019
    Wring forum

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  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    Well unless you like wasted money
  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2019
    Vw diesels are the ****


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  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2019
    I wish my 8.1 mercs had the vw gas mileage
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  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2019
    Lol...real sorry, wrong post ...I was suppose to be in mercruiser a
  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    edited October 2019
    Well the vw part would make sense if I had a vw

  • EpicStoryEpicStory Member Posts: 12
    So funny thing.. I meant to list my previous comments in a another forum....if you wanna go off shore make sure you know what you're doing. This is,  not to be taken lightly. Many people reach the gulf stream and perish. Please take precautions.
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭✭✭
    10 miles off shore or 70, doesnt really matter as you're not swimming back in an emergency situation.


    Vw does make a v6 tdi that can easily make BBC power and torque at half the weight.   No diesel is going to double your mpgs on plane doing 35 mph but when you're puttering around at sunset enjoying adult beverages and good tunes you'll easily double your mpgs at hull speeds.

    The rock climber off roaders have started steering away from the Cummins 6bt and going with the mercedes and vw diesels as that 600 plus hp range at a 500 or so lbs weight reduction really helps out.  The easily tunable ecus and engine adapters are making the custom set ups a little more off the shelf.
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