2005 342 Fire suppression issue

johnepjohnep Seacoast NHPosts: 77Member ✭✭
My blower was not working the and of last season.  Someone told me to check the fire extinguisher for the engine compartment.  I recently did and find it is in the red.  How do I refill or service the system?  The system is a FE241 and I have been unable to get much info off google searches.  Boating season starts in a few months and I want to be ready. Thanks in advance!
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,392Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    You have to replace the whole extinguisher
  • StodgeStodge Lake St. ClairPosts: 2,405Member ✭✭✭✭
    The older systems used halon and it's next to impossible to find folks that still work with it.  Having working blowers is pretty important.  You may want to look for the wires that go to the fire suppression system.  The idea was for it to interrupt a connection (I think the ground) for the blowers if it was discharged.  If you can turn on a wire diagram it may help you bypass the fire suppression system and let your blowers work.

    2002 FV 342 on Lake St. Clair - Past Commodore SHC - Vessel Examiner USCGAUX

  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Call these guys: https://www.fireboy-xintex.com/

    They are the go-to for marine fire suppression. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • zaverin1zaverin1 Harrison TWP ,MIPosts: 1,552Member ✭✭✭
    Or find a local fire safety supply company 
  • johnepjohnep Seacoast NHPosts: 77Member ✭✭
    The replacement is pretty much a plug and play.  The new replacement for my system is a cg20200227-b and a HFC227 agent. Not cheap but I think money well spent.  I am sure there will be others looking for the replacement when theirs needs to be upgraded.
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,392Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    And if it is wired correctly and its empty your blowers wont work!!!
  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is not just a matter of refilling with the new agent, the bottle itself gets upgraded too. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,260Member ✭✭✭✭
    Wow, $500 for a replacement canister? Worth it for safety but man thats not cheap for an extinguisher. 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,392Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Only gig in town Lib
  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well: USCG approved, clean agent, marine certified, thermal release point (~180F), integrated blower cut out switch and sized for the engine compartment volume.  

    Oh yes: an on water inspection and no FE in the engine room they can seize/impound your vessel on the spot. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • TonyG13TonyG13 ChicagoPosts: 185Member ✭✭✭

    Oh yes: an on water inspection and no FE in the engine room they can seize/impound your vessel on the spot. 
    From what I remember when I was a USCGAux Vessel Inspector - and it could have changed - a fixed system is not "required" and you're not going to be impounded for not having one as long as you have the minimum number of portable extinguishers aboard to substitute for an inoperable fixed system.

    In the case of a 342, (2) B-l or (1) B-II extinguishers are required for a vessel with no fixed system, or (1) B-I extinguisher is required for a vessel with a working fixed system.

    To put it simply, @johnep can use more portable extinguishers to stand-in for his fixed system until he gets it back to working order.

    Source: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/46/part-25/subpart-25.30
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,260Member ✭✭✭✭
    When I was inspected by the uscg aux they would not consider my fireboy because it had not been certified within the last 12 months, so my two new kiddie fire extinguishers got me through inspection 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Opening the engine hatch with a fire is a really bad idea. Just saying.

    Those small portable extinguishers most people carry would be no match for an engine room fire. Better than nothing. Maybe.  Then the second disaster: the dry chemical stuff everywhere...corrosive, damages electrical equipment, ruins engines.  lol. 


    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • aero3113aero3113 Long Island, NYPosts: 2,298Member ✭✭✭✭
    Check out the link below, very reasonable and easy to install.
    https://www.blazecutusa.com/
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,392Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Get diesels. No worries
  • TonyG13TonyG13 ChicagoPosts: 185Member ✭✭✭
    aero3113 said:
    Check out the link below, very reasonable and easy to install.
    https://www.blazecutusa.com/
    Very interesting concept. I wonder if they've thought about getting USCG certification.
  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    It costs me $5 to get my Fireboy extinguisher weighed and certified yearly. 

    Not sure on the USCG requirements, but an auto release marine system activates at 175F. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,194Member, Moderator mod
    Opening the engine hatch with a fire is a really bad idea. Just saying.

    Those small portable extinguishers most people carry would be no match for an engine room fire. Better than nothing. Maybe.  Then the second disaster: the dry chemical stuff everywhere...corrosive, damages electrical equipment, ruins engines.  lol. 



    So, I completely agree with the first statement.  As most know, I went thru this.  I refused to let the coast guard open my engine hatch (knowing my 'halon' went off - it's not halon, but it's the new stuff).  Anyway, the automatic extinguisher saved my boat, period.  
    Now, as far as the chemical stuff everywhere and damaging things.  That is very far from the truth.  After experiencing it first hand, I really couldn't tell it went off.  Very small trace of it.  Kind of like a little bit of pollen on things (actually less than that).  Here are two pictures within an hour after first lifting the engine hatch.  No real trace of chemical stuff.


    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,260Member ✭✭✭✭
    That is impressive Dream. BD - how do we get ours certified for $5? What do you do every year to accomplish this? Thanks. 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • aero3113aero3113 Long Island, NYPosts: 2,298Member ✭✭✭✭
    @Dream_Inn I forget what caused that, can you refresh my memory?
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,194Member, Moderator mod
    aero3113 said:
    @Dream_Inn I forget what caused that, can you refresh my memory?

    There was an issue with the high pressure fuel line (under high pressure - when I took off onto plane - gas came out into bilge).  Luckily it was basically a small vapor explosion.  Small is relative (was enough to blow the hatch off the hydraulics), but the boat was still floating :) .

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • aero3113aero3113 Long Island, NYPosts: 2,298Member ✭✭✭✭
    WoW! Glad no one was hurt!!
  • Glassguy54Glassguy54 Posts: 517Member ✭✭✭
    @aero3113, what I took from Blazecut is to NEVER buy a Volkswagon bus! Seems they are prone to engine fires, LOL. 
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,194Member, Moderator mod
    aero3113 said:
    WoW! Glad no one was hurt!!
    Completely agree.  Luckily nobody was sitting in the aft seat, or they'd been thrown overboard.  Things learned, always wear a PFD, things happen very quickly no matter how experienced you are.  Also, on topic, little things like the automatic extinguisher is very important and can save more than just your boat.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    The residue I spoke of is from a dry chemical type, not the halon type. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,194Member, Moderator mod
    The residue I spoke of is from a dry chemical type, not the halon type. 

    I would think any automatic ones in the engine room would be the much cleaner halon replacement that does not leave residue.  As far as the handheld ones, I'd assume they'd leave a residue.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,260Member ✭✭✭✭
    It costs me $5 to get my Fireboy extinguisher weighed and certified yearly. 

    Not sure on the USCG requirements, but an auto release marine system activates at 175F. 
    Where can we go for recertification? Easy to remove the bottle?
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

  • Black_DiamondBlack_Diamond Holland, MichiganPosts: 4,555Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Unplug the wires. Loosen the clamp that holds it in place. Easy!

    You just need to find a fire extinguisher service place that deals with halon. Just needs to be weighed to be certified. 

    2003 342FV "Black Diamond", 350 MAG MPI, 20P 4x4 Props, PC BYC, Holland, MI
  • mattiemattie Posts: 232Member ✭✭✭
    Another awesome reason for forums!

    Adding to my spring recommission list.....

    got a a tear in my eye, getting emotional.
    Mattie
  • Liberty44140Liberty44140 Bay Village & Marblehead, OH.Posts: 2,260Member ✭✭✭✭
    Thanks will look in to this 
    Wine-N-Down -- 2006 342 Express Cruiser

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