Boat won't start

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  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    hmmm. i'll go hide my head in shame now...lol. yeah, mine is just like that. disn't even think about that.
    mine already has the brake lockout but the fuse keeps blowing so it won't activate. but i think i found the problem. looked at the trailer tonight and saw a white wire (should be a ground) that wasn't connected to anything. Looked and saw a ring terminal screwed to the trailer frame inside the tube so that wire likely came from there. But even worse the blue wire was pinched between the frame and large washer that is on the bolt that attached the safety chain. Loosened that bold and the wire came out and broke in half. Pretty sure it was shorting against the frame. Will try to fix that tomorrow morning if the rain holds off. And found fuses. The local Dodge dealer didn't have them so stopped by the local Chevy dealer. They happened to have an old fuse box off a Jeep that was full of fuses. They had the ones I needed so they pulled them out and gave them to me:). Hopefully will have this fixed early tomorrow
  • randy56randy56 Newburgh INPosts: 2,694Member ✭✭✭✭
     good catch, no need for shame, soon you will be able to back up the drive, get that water problem solved an be on the water. picture's are requested. 
    Boat Name : Knot My Prolem

    2003 - 270
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    Think the brake issue is fixed now. Fixed the broken wires and tried it and so far so good. Backs up fine now. Gonna start it up again today to see how it runs then finish loading it up. Not sure when we will get it in. Supposed to storm today and tomorrow. Might just wait till sometime this week to put it in which means no boating this weekend.

    Thanks for all the help! I'll let you guys know if it is definitely fixed
  • randy56randy56 Newburgh INPosts: 2,694Member ✭✭✭✭
    85/90 and sun in the midwest all weekend, where are you?
    Boat Name : Knot My Prolem

    2003 - 270
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    Pittsburgh. It was supposed to start storming about 3:00 today and not stop until tomorrow night but as usual the weatherman was off. It was pretty nice until about 6:00 or so.
  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,613Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    It is cooking here in FL, have not seen a cloud in a couple of weeks and hitting near100....went to fix my brake which went fine but when I went to bleed and found the master cylinder locked up so I guess I know why my caliper locked...so ordered a new one. Had not planned on being on the water this weekend...to crazy out there and everyone with something that floats is heading out. I can make a 3 day weekend 51 weeks of the year and go boating....so will get the trailer fixed properly and maybe go for next weekend!
  • GMSLITHOGMSLITHO Greenwood Lake NY Posts: 815Member ✭✭✭
    Ras you don’t really tow with that picture of that little car you posted do you 
  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,613Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    No GMS....that was just for giggles...my tow vehicle is an F150 which is still marginal/maxed for the 270 but does ok for what we do.
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    edited May 27
    Well we made it in today. Everything went fine. Boat ran fine. Just dropped the trailer off and grabbed lunch then heading back down. Gonna work on getting the dock set up and boat organized so not sure we will actually make it out today. Ramp to slip is about 1/4 mile so at least made it that far...lol. Dock neighbor commented about how shiny it was:)



  • randy56randy56 Newburgh INPosts: 2,694Member ✭✭✭✭
    Good news, looks like a nice Crownline. ....... 
    Boat Name : Knot My Prolem

    2003 - 270
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
  • reneechris14reneechris14 Pawcatuck river CTPosts: 2,233Member ✭✭✭✭
    Thats sharp looking boat. Glad it all worked out

    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    edited May 28
    Thanks!. Spent a whole weekend buffing, polishing and waxing and just got all new canvas over the winter. it originally had the tan canvas but we decided to go with black
  • GMSLITHOGMSLITHO Greenwood Lake NY Posts: 815Member ✭✭✭
    Boat looks great enjoy the summer 
  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,613Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Looks like a good start!
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    So after siphoning about 20 gallons of fuel out (about 15 was bad the last 5 looked good) we had the boat out twice and it ran fine. Went out today and putsied out of the no wake zone about 100 yards to the Ohio river then got up on plane. Ran about 1/2 mile up river on plane then came back down river about 1 mile then turned around and went to our anchor spot. When I backed off the throttle it stalled and wouldn't start. Dropped the anchor and pulled the fuel separator and dumped it in a container and it was about 50% bad fuel (separated). Had a new separator in the cabinet so put it on. After a couple hours on the hook we started it up and had to keep the RPM up for a few minutes to clear the bad fuel from the carb. After that I dropped it to idle and it sat there fine for about 5 minutes. Took off and got up on plane and all was good. Got the to entrance of our river and backed it down to about 1000 RPM's and it died again. Made it over to an old dock and tied up there and pulled the new separator and dumped it in a container. Fuel looked good. Put it back on and started it. It wouldn't start unless I pumped the throttle and would only run over about 2000 RPM. Anything under that and it stalled. We were only 50 yards from our slip so a dock neighbor came and towed us in.

    So remember my boat is a 2006 Crownline but it has a 5.7 Merc 2 bbl with TKS. It has an electric fuel pump and you don't have to pump it before turning the key. It is NOT fuel injected

    Any ideas? My first thought is more bad fuel but when I pulled that new separator after about 1/2 mile that fuel looked good. My thoughts are to siphon the remaining 45-50 gallons and put it in a 55 gallon drum for now then fill it with new fresh fuel and a new separator. If it still does it then I have 50 gallons of fuel to use as needed and look for a different issue?

    Thanks.
  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,613Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why would you not knowing you have a mixture of bad fuel? Lord knows what ya got in there!
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    Agreed Ras. My plan even after last time and even though it ran great the last 2 times out was to siphon it dry and change the separator to start fresh and eliminate those variables in case it happened again. Hopefully going to pick up a drum tomorrow then siphon about 20 gallons out tomorrow using the 4 5 gallon cans I have then maybe siphon another 20 gallons Saturday. After that there should only be a few gallons left in there. Our marina has a bunch of cans from 5 gallon all the way to 50 gallon so maybe I will borrow a couple Saturday and get it completely empty. 99% sure this fuel is my issue and I don't want it happening again.
  • GMSLITHOGMSLITHO Greenwood Lake NY Posts: 815Member ✭✭✭
    You also have to figure out how the water got in there you can also get a scope and take a look inside the tank 
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    i was assuming it wasn't actually water in there but ethanol separation because the boat had sat 3 years but starting to wonder now. my fuel cap doesn't have an o-ring but it kind of overlaps the filler neck so thought maybe it didn't require one. i'll get a pic tonight and post it up
  • GMSLITHOGMSLITHO Greenwood Lake NY Posts: 815Member ✭✭✭
    3 years could be just a lot of condensation in the tank 
  • Dude_HimselfDude_Himself Charleston, SCPosts: 558Member ✭✭✭
    FUEL CAP NEEDS AN O-RING! I would start there - without it it will get water in when it rains. I was having fuel quality issues the end of last season - new oring and the problems stopped. I'm not using 10% ethanol fuel any longer either - finally got a decent local supply for that I can get to (280EC on a trailer + tow vehicle is 50' long).
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    edited July 6
    No o-ring on these. Dock neighbor has the exact same boat and he told me his does not have one and he pulled it to verify it. Another guy at the marina said it wouldn't have one.
    So we get there tonight with intentions of siphoning fuel till it's empty. Siphoned 5 gallons and it all looked good. Decided to try it and it started right up and idled. Let it run about 10 minutes and it was fine so shut it off. Temp got to about 150. Waited about 10 minutes and tried again but it wouldn't run. Took the inline filter out of the carb and it looked good and I was able to blow through it easily. Put it back together and it started right up then stalled after a few minutes. Took that filter out again and left it out. At that point it would start but barely idle and die as soon as I give it a little gas.

    I pulled the gas cap to see if maybe the vent line was plugged but that didn't change anything

    Started thinking maybe time to rebuild the carb?

    Here is the fuel cap:



  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,576Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep o ring is missing.  But get the motor correct.  Rebuild/ replace the carb.  Complete ignition tune up as well.  
  • aero3113aero3113 Long Island, NYPosts: 2,880Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 6
    Here is a link to get the correct o-rings. (From @LaRea )

    Size:  1-3/4 o.d., 1-1/2 i.d., 1/8 thick (fits most Rinker cruisers)
    Material:  Viton

       http://www.theoringstore.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=367_79_82&products_id=3484


  • randy56randy56 Newburgh INPosts: 2,694Member ✭✭✭✭
    I'm 90 % sure your gas cap is a Perko take's a 1.5 inch o ring. I can see the grove where it goes. All boat gas caps are sealed. Bet your dock neighbors is missing also. They changed gas cap's in 2011 due to epa, but that's a different story.
    Maybe someone else can take picture of there's to show o ring. Or go to Marine boat supply store and look at them. 

    Boat Name : Knot My Prolem

    2003 - 270
  • reneechris14reneechris14 Pawcatuck river CTPosts: 2,233Member ✭✭✭✭
    o ring on cap
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • reneechris14reneechris14 Pawcatuck river CTPosts: 2,233Member ✭✭✭✭
    The black stuff around the fill tube is sign of ethanol. Dam corn syrup.
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
  • boatman37boatman37 Posts: 307Member ✭✭
    hmmm...interesting. maybe the dock neighbor does have one and he couldn't see it. i didn't look at it myself as it was on the other side from the dock so i took his word for it. will get that taken care of but that isn't the issue right now. thinking i might grab a carb kit and a couple new separators. speaking of separators what is their deal once contaminated with water? I replaced it when i bought the boat in august then replaced it in May when i had trouble then replaced it sunday. plan was to just dump it out but the o-ring on it was about 1/4" too big and we couldn't get it to sit back on the filter where it was supposed to so just put a new one on. That one worked fine. Boat idled and got up on plane. 1/4 mile later i backed it down for the no wake zone and it died. pulled that filter and there didn't appear to be any water in it that time. Do they 'plug' up once contaminated with water or can you dump them and put them back on?
  • reneechris14reneechris14 Pawcatuck river CTPosts: 2,233Member ✭✭✭✭
    Years ago i had a 20ft fourwinns took the filter off left for a week on my bench to dry out then used them again. Would think only way to get water out is to let it dry out. 
    2005 Rinker FV342  Pawcatuck river,Ct
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