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Rinker 410
Michael T
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Steve and guys, you will like this. A friend who is thinking about a Rinker 410/400 sent me an e.mail. He told me there are several Rinker 410's for sale on YachtWorld. No big deal, right? But, two of them have diesels. I think they may be Cat 6BTAs - one only had about 300 hours on it.
Also, I had no idea that some of the Rinker 410s came with so much "cool" equipment - full sized fridge, stove with oven, washer dryer combos, recliner chairs, true walk around Queen beds ....wow - there are some really neat older "loaded" 410 Rinkers with diesels at great prices!....if you're interested "google" Rinker 410 and go to the YachtWorld site.
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Yes, I know a few 390 owners with diesels. Also know a couple 420/410 owners. Heck, I've even see 420s with outboards. All kinds of configurations have been in (or still are in) my marina. I've stated my opinion on the 410/420 on here several times. Some of things MT specifically stated he liked is what I didn't. The full size fridge, well, you will never leave the dock without your genny running again. The aft cabin, well, it makes it really tough for getting to routine maintenance areas (I've done enough mx on them to know). I do love the recliner and the layout. As far as the 390/400 & 410/420, only difference for the 1 foot is the nice larger swim platform with a great large seat on the back. The admiral stated 400 only for her & I agree. Love that large seat on the back and would not have been happy without it.
MT, ready to move up?? You are supposed to keep buying new though so some of us can afford your hand-me-downs.
Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express
Cummins Diesels: My friend had twin 6TBA 5.9Ms and looked up his stats for me. He keeps stats on everything! LOL
He cruised with them at 2200RPM +/-
@2200 RPM 310 HP
@2200 RPM 750 Ft. Lbs. Torque
At full throttle:
@3000 RPM 355 HP
@3000 Rpm 621 Ft. Lbs. Torque
Fuel Usage:
@2200 RPM 8.5 GPH
@3000 RPM 20 GPH
* Note The engines were not supposed to be run at full throttle more that 15%(+/-) in a duty cycle, (therefore about 1 in 8 hours of use)
Al, are you sure the .98 and .8 numbers are right? If I'm reading it right, you are saying stern drive gas burned better than IPS diesel, which doesn't make any sense. & .98mpg, almost 1 mile for every gallon. That doesn't even seem close to how much they actually burn (I'm talking stern drive gas). I would think it'd be closer to ~.6mpg. I know a few owners of the 420 and even 410s, and there isn't any way they are burning better than I, which is about .8mpg. & yes, I have the 496's and love them! Great engine!
Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express
I do agree the 420 takes a lot of trim, and that would make sense a bit more for the IPS. I know the bow rides a bit higher (or it feels like it anyhow) than my 400.
hmmm, now I'm thinking I should play a bit more with trim or tabs. I put trim up a little bit, but too much and a small wave will start the porpoise affect. I also worry about spinning a hub with my B-2 prop.
I will say the fuel burn doesn't seem much different if it is a B-3 compared to B-2. @alswagg do you have any difference in fuel burn between the two? I have a dock buddy with a 2007 400, that we do travel together a bit. we seem to get similar amounts of fuel (hard to tell completely because he runs his genny a lot more than I do).
As MT said, it won't slow me down from using, but it is nice to optimize. I am planning to go even more this summer than last if that's possible. Love the lower fuel prices.
Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express
@DI you are definitely 100% when you talk about trim. I have not spent nearly as much time trying different trim settings as I intend to this coming season. BUT, I will say this - from what I have experimented with so far, and that's using the vessel view 7 with the 2015 data up-grade, the trim makes a crazy difference AND you don't have to change it much to get into a "sweet" zone that can change your mpg to a much, much better number.
Rinker hulls are very efficient but (probably like most hulls) they have certain trim and rpm bands that are super efficient.....and if you combine both!!!
What I have done so far is use the V V 7 to dial-in the best rpm setting, then use the trim to see if I can get more.
Of course there is no setting that I can use consistently as the varied temperature, humidity and loads from day to day make a set it and forget it setting impossible. But, I'm pretty sure I can come up with a quick process each time I go onto plane to get the best MPG.
@DI btw I should add - as I know you know - test results are just what a particular boat achieved with a certain bottom coating, with a certain load of gear/water etc. and on a day of certain temperature, humidity, wind and water surface. I would like to see three or four boats (from any manufacturer) of the same configuration tested but that's not likely to happen. So, we have to take all of that in mind when we see a rating.
@DI - BTW #2..... You may find this interesting (I sure did) Years ago when I was talking engines with the guys at the old Mercury engine plant in Stillwater Oklahoma they said Mercury rates their engines +/- 5% on their '"standard" HP/Torque charts. So with my twins I could be +/- 10% compared to another EC 360 with the same engine/drive set-up..... No wonder what different guys get for MPG, RPM and MPH varies!!!!! LOL