About to p[ull the trigger on a 2006 320 EC...
RiverJunkie
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Hi all,
First post here. As stated, we are about to buy a '06 230 Express Cruiser. We have been boating the upper Potomac River for the past 25 years. Our most recent and current boat is a '97 Bayliner 2355. It's been a great boat for 15 years and about a thousand hours. Over the years we have added many motor and boat upgrades in general. Some of which include an aluminum radar arch with radar, vortec heads and 4bbl man/carb, extended swim platform, inverters, modern electronics, custom canvas...etc...etc...(we have always done our own work). We've resisted going bigger for a while but the time is now;-) We keep our boat on the Occoquan River in Woodbridge, VA. This will be our first boat without the option to trailer.
Believe it or not this 320 has less than 20 hours on it! Before this summer the boat had been dry docked for about 4 years. It is in very good condition....darn near new. I know that sitting for 4 years is not necessarily a good thing but before they put it back in the water they did about $7k of work to the boat including:
The boat is in the water now. We checked it out last weekend...started the motors etc. There were a few electrical querks etc that they are going to address but all will be functional before closing. We are going to do a sea trial this coming weekend. Any suggestions on things we should look for? We are getting it at what seems to be a very reasonable price.
It has Volvo Penta 5.7 Osi motors with the 5kw Kohler gen etc. It does not have the Plasteak flooring...this is something I may add myself down the road.
We've always had Mercruiser powerplants so I don't know too much about the Volvo Penta world. After some poking around on the web it looks like the outdrives may be XDP's which from what I can tell have had their issues (how do I tell? I have pictures of the drives). It looks like the engines are 280HP. Couple of questions:
Thanks!
First post here. As stated, we are about to buy a '06 230 Express Cruiser. We have been boating the upper Potomac River for the past 25 years. Our most recent and current boat is a '97 Bayliner 2355. It's been a great boat for 15 years and about a thousand hours. Over the years we have added many motor and boat upgrades in general. Some of which include an aluminum radar arch with radar, vortec heads and 4bbl man/carb, extended swim platform, inverters, modern electronics, custom canvas...etc...etc...(we have always done our own work). We've resisted going bigger for a while but the time is now;-) We keep our boat on the Occoquan River in Woodbridge, VA. This will be our first boat without the option to trailer.
Believe it or not this 320 has less than 20 hours on it! Before this summer the boat had been dry docked for about 4 years. It is in very good condition....darn near new. I know that sitting for 4 years is not necessarily a good thing but before they put it back in the water they did about $7k of work to the boat including:
- wash/wax
- new bottom paint
- new outdrive paint
- new oil and filters in engines and outdrives
- pumped out old gas and replace separators etc. (several times)
- Replaced impellers and bellows on both drives and gen.
- Inspected gimbal bearings etc.
- replaced zincs etc.
- serviced generator...changed oil/filters etc.
- 4 new batteries
The boat is in the water now. We checked it out last weekend...started the motors etc. There were a few electrical querks etc that they are going to address but all will be functional before closing. We are going to do a sea trial this coming weekend. Any suggestions on things we should look for? We are getting it at what seems to be a very reasonable price.
It has Volvo Penta 5.7 Osi motors with the 5kw Kohler gen etc. It does not have the Plasteak flooring...this is something I may add myself down the road.
We've always had Mercruiser powerplants so I don't know too much about the Volvo Penta world. After some poking around on the web it looks like the outdrives may be XDP's which from what I can tell have had their issues (how do I tell? I have pictures of the drives). It looks like the engines are 280HP. Couple of questions:
- These have closed engine cooling...did they all come with that?
- Do these engines have multi-port FI?
- Anyone have performance data on this set up?
Thanks!
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Great post! GREAT detail, that always helps. I hope you join the Rinker owners fraternity. Except for one OMC engine product I have always been a Mercury engine owner.
I have no issue with the Volvo engines. Friends who own them like them a lot. There has been a lot of talk on the forum about the Volvo XDP drives and you will get a lot of good advice soon from forum members.
I have no worry about a boat that has been laid-up for awhile other than some of the issues you mention - which look like they have been taken care of.
My concern would be seals and hoses that have lost their integrity. I might look at having the seller price-in reductions for the cost of replacing gas line hoses and also have a look at the hoses from sea cocks.
You sound like you know a lot about boating. If you didn't I'd say to 100% get a survey. It's still probably a good idea to at least have the hull surveyed.
Did the previous owner/marina keep service logs?
If the advice you receive on here indicates you can deal with the XDPs then it sounds like you have a good potential deal.
My advice, listen to the Volvo owners on this site they are a very savvy bunch and will "steer you straight".
Good luck!
Thanks Handyman...but no, not Prince William Marina. We have a slip at John S. Beach Marina down the road. We have kept our 2355 in a slip there for a number of years. We typically pull the boat in the winter and take it home (as we did this year). We have left it in the water a couple of seasons though. The 2355 is still a pretty big boat on the trailer though I have hauled it around the East Coast a few times. Towed it up to the finger lakes in and the Thousand Islands in NY a few times. Great trips. We may hold on to that boat on to the trailer for a bit (in case we get the urge to go somewhere more exotic)....not sure yet.
Thanks for the advice. I'm pretty good with a wrench so I'm not too worried about minor engine maintenance as you mention. I'll have to climb down into the engine compartment and inspect all the hoses and belts etc. The electric engine hatch worries me a little (if it were to fail)...though I think there is way to open it manually.
River, first off, welcome to the forum. You sound very knowledgeable and I'm sure will add lots to this forum. I've owned a 2002 310 for 6-7 years (basically the same boat) & I have to say it is a great boat for almost everything. You sound like a hands-on guy, so this boat will be perfect for you. Everything is very accessible, especially the items you will need to maintain often.
Let's see if I can answer some questions. Closed cooling. That is an option depending on engine package. For you, on the Potomac/Ches bay, that is a good thing. I don't know squat about Volvo unfortunately. I would be very concerned about those drives & as said, people on here have dealt with it and will be best advice you can get. (IMO, I'm not sure I'd buy a boat with them. Again, just my opinion).
Multi-port fuel injection, yes that is what they'd have. Mine had the 5.0 MPI and the boat had plenty of HP and hole-shot. The 5.7s will be very nice and you should easily top over 45mph. If I remember right, I burned around 22gph at ~32mph.
Hmmm, what to look for. Small things, but here goes. Any signs of water leaks, rub rails are known for leaking. Arch, water intrusion has been known to happen and then freezing and causing cracks at lower portion. I believe the hardware is fixed in the arch by that year (SS hardware on the access panels caused corrosion). For that age, check the water heater connections for corrosion (it is located on port side, access thru mid-cabin, remove cushion - which is a nice storage hole - and then small circle access panel in aft. The connections going to the heater from engine tends to corrode. Make sure all seacocks move easily. I believe that year still has the electric head, which works nicely (except loud in middle of night).
We always loved the layout of the boat and she cruised great on the bay. We took her to VA beach from Annapolis area with no issues.
Let us know how things go! Good luck!
Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express
@RiverJunkie, Rinker hatches can be opened manually - some by removing the in-floor support for the cockpit table leg. As well, you probably have seen the posts in the cockpit area to attach a battery to open the hatch in the event that your boat's batteries run down. IMO the 320 is a great boat for ride in rough water, fuel economy due to a very well designed hull and great sized cockpit and cabin space for a boat of its size. It sounds like you are on to a winner.
Just a thought.....If you had concerns about the condition of the drives would the seller offer you a 50-50 warranty? if there is a failure within one year he pays 50% of the repair.If he says yes, that's piece of mind if he says no that may be a flag.
I sold a cottage one time with a 50-50 warranty on the septic system. The buyer wanted the cottage but he was afraid of the septic system, as was his mortgage lender. I said I know it's fine so I'll give you a 50-50 warranty on that system for two years. Deal done, there never was a problem with it.
- I did notice some gel coat cracking on the radar arch on one side where it curves from vertical to horizontal overhead on the starboard side. I think I may have seen a post from someone on this happening for others.
- The boat had the bimini tops on but the camper sides were no on when we looked at it. There has been a bunch of rain recently. When I opened the engine hatch...there was some water down in the bilge (as expected with it having been open in the rain) I could see the water was over the top of the bilge pump. From what I could see...it looked like the float switch was submerged as well. I hit the bilge switch and it pumped out...but it seems to me that the float switch should have kicked on prior. I outlined this in my comments to the owner. The good news is the water that pumped did not have any oil/gas sheen to it. I need to make sure that float switch is functioning properly.
- The bimini tops looked near perfect. The rest of the canvas was there but not installed. The windows were pretty dirty and cloudy looking. We are willing to clean these up as best as possible and take them as is. It had been stored with the mooring cover on with the camper canvas stored in the back compartment. I think they were just sitting in a bit of water from time to time and collected dirt/dust from having been sitting in the lot for 4 years. I don't have a problem replacing canvas pieces as necessary if needed. The windows may clean up with the right product....I don't think it is sun damage.
- Also...the self bailing drain for the bottom step on deck (before entering the cabin) seemed to be a bit clogged. There was some water pooled there. That drain is way over to the starboard side under the helm. Hard to get to. They are going to fix this. Seems like a weird design though.
Thanks!Verify that they used magnesium anodes (not zinc or aluminum).
Check the shore power receptacles for any signs of charring or heat damage.
Welcome to the forum!
However...we'd be getting this boat with 18 hours on it and in immaculate condition for about $40k. That is at least $20k less than any of the others of the same model and approximate year that i've found for sale out there...many with the same drives and a lot more hours and wear and tear. Many are priced 30k or 40k higher. Of course...they may not get that price in the end.
I read somewhere that 40% of xdp owners have problems with the drives. Of course you don't hear from the 60% of owners that have no problems. If that figure is in fact correct.
I did some quick pricing and it looks like it would cost about $17k between two new DPS drives and new transom shield for parts....to do a swap. That doesn't include labor which could easily be 3k...unless I were to do it myself.
But I'm getting ahead of myself here. Maybe these drives work fine for a while or a long while. Anyway...gotta think on this I guess...
did you have to replace the XDP drives at any point or just bellows?
thanks
Definitely an interesting on-going topic with the drives. River, please keep us updated with your decision.
gradywhite, welcome to the forum and great to hear you speak up!
Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express
I checked the part numbers on the bellows replacement they installed last summer and it is the latest recall bellows from VP....for what that is worth. That recall came out around 2010. Interestingly when I google the XDP problem....there are a ton of forum posts on the subject but...there is relatively little chatter after about 2011. So, not sure if the last bellows recall solved some of the problems.
The biggest factor in the decision to go ahead with it is that in looking at other boats, I couldn't really find another boat as new and in as good a shape that I liked as much, for less than about $20k more....and that's on the low side. And some of those boats had the xdp's as well! The NADA book shows an average retail for this boat of about $70k. Not sure how accurate those numbers are in the boat world?
So...Eff it...life is short and full of risk;-) If we have to spend 20k at some point to upgrade the drives, I figure we'll break even to some degree. As far as I can tell this was a $160k boat new 10 years ago. It's barely been used, decals still on the appliances etc. If I get it for 25% of that but have to put some extra dollars in to it...I'm ok with that. If catastrophic failure happened next week...I'd still be below book value.
Ok...this is ridiculous...I'm really rationalizing aren't I :P Anyway, I'm putting this worry behind me and will explore the Bay a bit further with no fear this summer! I'll stay away from triming the drives out too far and making stupid sharp turns...and make sure my BoatUS Towing insurance has plenty of free towing range ;-)
Looking forward to being active in the community here!
Tony
Salt Shaker 342
I own a 2009 320. I purchased her used with 150 hours on her and have owned her for the past 3 years. I think you will absolutely love the 320. It is a great boat. I do most of my own maintenance and repair so if I can answer any questions please do not hesitate to ask. Equal to the great experience owning my 320 is the camaraderie and support of this forum. You will find a wealth of information available from the members here and everyone is more than willing to help and answer questions.
The one thing about the 320 you are purchasing that gives me pause is the XDP drive units. I owned a previous boat with those drives and unfortunately, they cost me many many hours of boating time because of down time waiting for parts and service calls for the 3 or so upgraded versions of repair kits specified by Volvo Penta. Even after Volvo installed the latest and greatest upgraded repair parts, I continued to experience failure due to water intrusion which damaged the gimbal bearings and drive shafts. Volvo never admitted that the XDP was a flawed design, however they stopped making those drives and offered different drives to XDP owners at a discounted price, however the swap is still very expensive. I suspect that may be why you found that the complaints died down after 2011.
If you can get a good enough deal on the boat to make it worth while with regard to the expense of replacing the drives then you'll be ok. Just keep in mind that the general public is aware of the issues with those drives and that any boat equipped with them will suffer a significantly reduced resale value for that reason.
I'm not bashing VP, they make a great product, but the XDP didnt live up to VP' s otherwise great reputation.
Thanks for the input! So I ask you and anyone else here...what is the going price for a 2006 320 in excellent condition and with low hours...and without the XDP drives? I can't seem to find one listed for much less than about $60k...and that typically comes with a few hundred hours.