considering a 2004 410 fiesta vee

looking to use this boat along the mid Atlantic - NJ - Va VIA the ocean - can anyone tell me the pro's and con's of this boat? 

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  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,523Member, Moderator mod

    Oh, boy, it really depends on how you want to use it.  It is a very heavy boat and does burn a lot of fuel.  I guess I need to ask what type of drives (I'm assuming B-3 with 496 engines).  Everyone loves the full size fridge, until you anchor out all weekend and have to run the generator.  Washer/Dryer (if it has it), is really quite small and empties waste water into same tank as head (so it can fill it quickly).  Some of the seacocks are a little harder to access (under the aft cabin bedding), but not absolutely terrible.  Compared to the 420 or 400, no seat at all on the swim platform.  If it has a hardtop, that is a huge bonus. 

     For a 2004, there may be a lot of items that after years of use, need replaced (just with maintenance).  For instance, transom plates.  Is the hull colored? (or white?)  A colored hull can definitely be more maintenance, but are beautiful.

    I know another forum member that keeps his 400 boat in the NJ area and tends to replace his coupler often.  He states it's due to the saltwater conditions that eats it up.

    The larger Rinkers are all a great boat for the value, especially used. 

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,630Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    lets see the pictures!
  • KreggKregg Posts: 2Member
    It's blue - we wouldn't not anchor up for the weekend at sea more take longer trips and end up ina marina. Not sure of dive since they just say inboard. Merc 8.1 fwc **** motors. This will new to me going from 24 outboard. Grew up with an I/o never had an inboard or boat this large
  • shawnmjrshawnmjr Detroit MIPosts: 1,450Member ✭✭✭✭
    Going from a 24 footer to a 41 footer is a huge upgrade. May be a little challenging 
  • rasburyrasbury Sanford, FLPosts: 5,630Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a big jump but go for it, I would if I could!
  • craigswardmtbcraigswardmtb Mystic, CTPosts: 1,012Member ✭✭✭
    Don't go inbetween if you see yourself in a boat larger.  Just jump right in and save yourself the money of upgrading later.  Get some lessons and you will be a pro before you know it.  And even when you think you're a pro, just remember that you're not really.  We all bump into things and have issues no matter how many years experience.
    As for handling seas, they are heavy boats with a decent size beam.  You'll be in good shape in most normal Atlantic conditions.  When they get above 5' and short wave periods, very few boats are fun in those conditions.
    Those 410's are nice.  Definitely what i would be looking at if i weren't set on a flybridge and more beam.  I may be fire sailing my 360 at the end of the season if you decide to go smaller.
  • J3ffJ3ff Posts: 1,931Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    Fire sale? 360? PM me first please if you do! Looking for something to use as an apartment! :) 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    J3ff said:
    Fire sale? 360? PM me first please if you do! Looking for something to use as an apartment! :) 
    Get a house boat
  • J3ffJ3ff Posts: 1,931Member ✭✭✭✭
    Not really a house boat kind of place.. 
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 410 is a v drive.  Very reliable boat dry weight 24,000 lb with arch 25,500 with hard top. Full forward and aft state rooms. Full sized cabin "family" room.  You will enjoy the washer/dryer and the trash compactor.  These are great boats.  Don't wait to long 
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh the 410 get .3 mpg at 30 mph.  Scale back to 26 mph it will climb to . 5 mpg 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dream gets .9 I think which is absurd
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,523Member, Moderator mod
    Dream gets .9 I think which is absurd

    I get 0.7- 1.0mpg.  Mostly hangs between .7-.8 at a cruise speed of 32mph.  The 420 and 410 both burn a bit more.  I guess it's strange, but yes now that I think about it, every 410 I've seen has V-drives.  And yet the 420's are different.  Why the difference @alswagg ?  The 420 and 410 are the same hull, correct?  Just a different swim platform.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same with the 4 blade props?
  • shawnmjrshawnmjr Detroit MIPosts: 1,450Member ✭✭✭✭
    Dream gets .9 I think which is absurd
    I bet those diesels get some good mileage 
  • craigswardmtbcraigswardmtb Mystic, CTPosts: 1,012Member ✭✭✭
    J3ff said:
    Fire sale? 360? PM me first please if you do! Looking for something to use as an apartment! :) 
    Yep fire sale indeed. We looked at an Ocean 48 today that was perfect. Just need to sell this baby. If this is something you might be interested in this season lmk. Drive up to Napatree tomorrow and check it out. Or I heard @reneechris14 may already have two footitis and want it...
  • craigswardmtbcraigswardmtb Mystic, CTPosts: 1,012Member ✭✭✭
    shawnmjr said:
    Dream gets .9 I think which is absurd
    I bet those diesels get some good mileage 
    Pretty crazy. The guy I talked to today was telling me his ocean 48 gets 35-40 gallons per hour on his 48k lb boat. Twin MAN 735hp diesels. That's basically what I get on my 360. 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    shawnmjr said:
    Dream gets .9 I think which is absurd
    I bet those diesels get some good mileage 
    Pretty crazy. The guy I talked to today was telling me his ocean 48 gets 35-40 gallons per hour on his 48k lb boat. Twin MAN 735hp diesels. That's basically what I get on my 360. 
    Your hooked LOL
  • shawnmjrshawnmjr Detroit MIPosts: 1,450Member ✭✭✭✭
    I think if I were to buy a boat in that size category I would definitely want diesels. Not only for the better fuel economy but for the longer engine life. 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    They don't put gas engines in many boats over 42 feet
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,523Member, Moderator mod
    Remember Craig, that fuel burn in the 48 is more likely a much slower speed. The same boat as mine in diesel has a cruise speed about 26-28 mph and burns 60-70% of what I do at my cruise of 32 mph.

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    The 420 and 410 are completely different hull designs. The 410 has tunnels for the V Drive props. The 420 has a high speed planing hull designed for Stern drives.  The 420 stern drive easily runs 46 mph.  I tested one that ran 48.  Easy cruise at 38-40 mph.  
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited July 2017
    The diesel 410 was a slug 36 mph max .6 mpg at 30 mph.   The 420 sterndrive .9 mpg at 30 mph.  496 H/O  425 hp 
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  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    No way .6 at 30. 
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yep .6 max. The Cummins 24 valve slug it might not even hit 36 mph.  Very slow 
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shaft drive v drive are very inefficient designs as for fuel economy    Stern drives are much faster and way more efficient fuel milage 
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    Remember the diesel got twice the milage of the gas big blocks.  If I remember the Cummins was 420 hp.  Gas was 425 hp. Nearly same top speed yes the deisel was more efficient than the gas at same speed. But not even close when we changes hulls to a sterndrive 
  • Handymans342Handymans342 Posts: 7,757Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    What about the Volvo IPS?
  • AlswaggAlswagg Posts: 2,579Member ✭✭✭✭✭
    The Volvo IPS is another completely different hull design.   Yes classified as a 420 but very different not even same cabin layout
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Annapolis, MDPosts: 5,523Member, Moderator mod
    Hmmm, so @Dirtythirty has a completely different cabin layout than the stern drive 420s?  that is interesting.  Is the aft cabin smaller?

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

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