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- Originally this was argued to just be no worse than the flu. The CDC estimated that between 37.4 million and 42.9 million people contracted the flu during the 2018-2019 season. Those cases led to between 531,000 and 647,000 hospitalization and 36,400-61,200 deaths.
- Yes Masks help. They aren't going to keep you from getting sick 100% of the time but they help. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0UclAmrhVI
- Any place such as a bar, disney, sporting events, raft up that attracts lots of people is going to spread this disease. Does it suck to not be able to do these things. Yep. Kind of like when we were kids when we couldn't do what we wanted and threw a temper tantrum.
- Yes at some point everyone is likely to get this. It just isn't realistic it is going to go away and it is going to take years to get enough people vaccinated.
- If you get it i hope you live somewhere that has a hospital bed for you. The issue is that we have more than we can treat. So more will die. That also means that others who need a bed for non covid issues may die as well. Miami is currently out of hospital beds.
- CA is reimposing restrictions and shutting down again. My crystal ball is saying that TX, AZ and FL are next. States that aggressively opened are now seeing the worst rises in numbers. States that aggressively took control are maintaining a very low infection rate. My county in MD had the second highest rate in all of MD and we are holding in phase 2 of reopening. For almost a month now. Some are screaming for it to go faster but it WORKS.
- Even entire countries are rethinking their approach. Sweden was the example of bucking the norm. They simply asked their people to social distance as they didn't want to shut down the economy. They did at first. Then without restrictions that slowly relaxed. Now they have a huge spike in cases and have realized that their economy is no better off than if they had shut down. https://www.livescience.com/results-of-sweden-covid19-response.html
- Google has made it easy for you to find anything to agree with any point. I simply googled "Scientific proof food tastes better if cooked outside" and got this article. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/food-really-does-taste-better-when-it-looks-good-scientists-claim-9551826.html. Please keep reading. Go with trusted sources, don't just read headlines and for gods sake stay away from just one news source that has proven they only repeat one political parties view point.
- Dr's are learning more everyday on what works and what doesn't to keep people alive. If you go in the hospital today you will likely be put on blood thinners, Zinc and melatonin. Just 2 months ago they hadn't thought of that.
Finally please everyone just realize that there are guys like me out there who's life depends on you taking this seriously. From the outside i look like a healthy, robust, fit man in his mid 50's. However i take medication that suppresses my immune system. I have A+ blood which statistically has been shown to put me in the group that is more likely to have a severe infection if i get this. So for me. I really need there to be a hospital bed. My wife doesn't even know how to snap on the cover much less get the boat out of the dock.sum touch
sum believe
When most people say asymptomatic, they mean they never had a "fever" of 100.4F or higher. That's a faulty and misleading measurement. In terms of detecting a fever, it's a "false negative."
If they were monitoring temperature daily, they would see that their temperature was above normal. That is a symptom. Do you see the distinction? They didn't feel bad, but they had a symptom.
Why is it important? Because if they knew they had a symptom, they could take action to protect those around them.
Exactly. And they didn't get sick or die. Good for them. But how many other people did they infect? That is the whole point of the shut downs, distancing and masks.
Only a complete sociopath would not care about potentially harming others whether they meant to or not.
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If there's one thing the kids going back to school will do, it'll make all the worry about having parties (that I have) become a moot point.
When I say elevated, I mean more than 2.5 standard deviations above his average temperature. His temperature never got above 100.4F, so most people would have incorrectly called him asymptomatic.
If you know of a person who monitors their temperature every day, got the virus, and never had an elevated temperature as I've described here, I'd love to speak with them.
just asking = when y'all read something like this do you
1= believe
2= think its fake news /propaganda
3= o no we need to be cautious and understanding
4= its the end
5= take care of your self n family
6= thoughts
everyone should voice concerns civilly
my main concerns - what if we hadn't shut down = thats the scary part
i have never walked slower in a walmart or been more cautious of surroundings than the last 3 months
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"Boy, if'n somebody is trying to get an emotional reaction out of you, you are being manipulate."
those three authors share the same hard left political views... is that important? it shouldn't be, but media doesn't care about reporting news anymore, they are more affixed on telling you how you should feel about something and they always have to have opposition- someone to bag on- someone to blame... which solidifies their and their 'sides' virtue... making the 'other' side seem either dumb or evil, or both.
they speak of 'preparations' and lightly touch on some cherry picked examples of hospitals in Texas to justify their fear mongering... suggesting the ICU beds are at capacity and they must transfer patients- well... small community hospitals may have only four beds in ICU... they may have only two... they may have 8 or 10... hardly any have 20+... which do you think someone wanting to press upon you 'their opinion' for you to adopt it as your own would use in their 'story telling'?
point: much if not ALL of the fear is about 'what is going to happen!!!' ... THE SKY IS FALLING~ chicken freakin' little... can we, for once, see FACTS... see non-manipulated numbers and ALL of those numbers (not excluding the ones that detract from the presenters intent)...
i'm a military guy... have been my whole life. different aspects, yeah, but still intent to contact and defeat whatever enemy presents itself as such... and to relate this entire thing into a battlespace it would go (at this point in time) :
seriously... the FEAR machine HAS to be put to rest... everyone here has demonstrated capacity to speak and communicate their opinions and translations effectively and civilly... that is FAR more than the average population..... now, if we can get past the FEAR MONGERING and address what we know to be factual- we can not only rest our own internal turbulence but we can set out to rest those of our family and friends, and they in turn their own... which would be a great use of this communication capacity we have here and in spite of the great manipulators (on either and/or ALL sides).
Summer camps are good indicators of what will happen when kids go back to school. Sure feels like a dumb move to move to FL sitting here right now.
there are different approaches to managing a pandemic. one, such as the one Sweden used, has proven exceptionally appropriate to this particular illness... they sought herd immunity.
they also protected the infirm- by isolation without retribution... if you told your boss "I'm at risk and I'm not coming in" they couldn't terminate you. If you told them you had a person in your care or proximity 'at risk', same... meanwhile, the remainder of the population continued doing what populations do.... and what came of it? a distinct herd immunity.. it's 'over' over there... it's 'over' in China too because they did the same thing (with the exception of not allowing choice)...
you can scoff at the practice, but the practice works.... while comparing it to states who've attempted shut-down it appears the open ones chose the wrong path- which is to be expected by nature of seeking herd immunity .... but let's come back and visit that in six months and see who is in better condition? ...... now to be fair, we don't know who will be in better condition... we can only say 'well, there was this approach and there was that approach, and it seems ____ was the better approach". <then we shove that in our tool box and use it if we encounter this or something like it again.... which we will.
https://globalnews.ca/news/7169518/coronavirus-covid-party-death-hoax/
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its a shame people see political views over harms way
camp on table rock had 89 or 94 infected young campers and counselors
Miami has just been named the Wuhan of the US.
""What we were seeing in Wuhan -- six months ago, five months ago -- now we are there," Lilian Abbo, with the Jackson Health System said during a news conference hosted Monday by the Miami-Dade County mayor."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/14/health/us-coronavirus-tuesday/index.html
This is mainly why I posted this. I've got to work a few days next week but then can be outta here for 2.5 weeks. Wondering if a boat trip to the Bahamas would be worth it.. maybe the boat would sink on the way there and I can go get that jet boat that have been lusting after
I wouldn't come here at all for a vacation right now. Somewhere in the midwest on a 100 acres in the woods with a lake sounds nice!
y'all are being played down there, and it's apparent some are taking the bait hook line and sinker et al. seeing this, it begs the question about the testing and compilation/reporting procedures in Texas as well as Arizona.
someone mentioned why politics would be placed above peoples well being... because... politics... 'they' don't give a level **** about you except what they can twist you into doing- which is right now dividing us at a time when we need to not be divided (as if we ever 'should' be divided).
y'all go ahead and prepare for the immunization/vaccine... if you don't have it i wonder what the limitations to your liberties will be?
now- truth is, 9.4% if accurate is still nothing to sneeze at (no pun intended). they 'could' have offered that number and people should still be concerned- which means the 'other' side has no real position to oppose except on principle and the exposure of the apparent misinformation campaign... 9.4% is no bueno either way...
i wonder if the motivation was and is to shut down the GOP convention? curious... same methods used in NC to get rid of it.... there is no shame with the methods of these jerks.
i reiterate though, if the 9.4% is actually accurate- that is still reason for concern. it really is. it just doesn't sound as horrific.
it's not like random people are taking these tests- they are mostly folks who have either cause to believe themselves exposed, or hypochondriacs- or what lies between those two causes. 9.4% of those who 'think' they may have been exposed or who believe they're exhibiting symptoms are right.... basically one in ten of those types.
those numbers are cause to be concerned... why inflate them? why go off the reservation wild with intent to incite fear? ....... and....... knowing that and speaking to folks who dismiss the whole thing as some sort of 'agenda' alone: why ignore the 9.4% when that is most likely accurate and dang near as concerning?