Hot water and water heater

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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    Ras is in Orlando, not Miami.   It's been a while since they saw a hard freeze but they do happen.   Spend a few grand on a large mature coconut or queen plam to be planted by the pool next week,  I guarantee you you'll get freezing temps the next 3 nights. 



    Run down to home Depot or Lowe's and get one of these.  IIRC the PEX tubing is 1/2 or 3/4.  This would allow you to easily bypass the water heater and still use your cold.  Your hot water taps would still have pressure as well but no longer have the ability to  be heated. 



    Make sure you keep your water heater off, it will burn up quickly with no water in it. 


    The more I look at the picture of your heater the more I don't like the valve at your inlet. 

    I'm betting if you yank out the plastic fittings, install two brass PEX shark bite in your tank, it will solve all your issues.  I'm betting the rubber in the valve is shot and you're getting hot water in the cold side. 


     
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thanks @PickleRick. I just like things to work the way they are supposed to. Will make it easier to sell if it's taken care of i figure.  Yes I'm looking at that valve- (the winterize valve)but not understanding the comments on the tank itself- are you talking where the hoses from the motor to the tank or the inlet/outlet for the cood/hot fresh water? There is also a pressure relief valve but that seems to work ok..I don't understand the system getting pressure unless it's coming from the heat exchanger leaking- which does not seem to be so...perhaps exolain what fittings to replace - I'm missing it somewhere...
  • captkevincaptkevin Member Posts: 451 ✭✭✭
    Was thinking the same thing Picklerick eliiminate the t's & valve. See what happens, 
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭


    The blue and red lines, eliminate the white fittings.  You'll no longer have a bypass valve.  

    Will require removing the brass fittings from your existing water heater which could be a pita due to age. 
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    Do you have a good sharp pair of PVC/PEX tubing cutters?  You'll want to work with good ends
  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    Turn off you water pump, open a hot and cold faucet, after water stops running turn on your engine that's connected to the tank. If water starts running you have  a leak in the heat exchanger.
  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Member, Moderator Posts: 7,828 mod
    Grahamu said:
    Turn off you water pump, open a hot and cold faucet, after water stops running turn on your engine that's connected to the tank. If water starts running you have  a leak in the heat exchanger.
    Absolutely the best and easiest way to figure it out in minutes. Good job @Grahamu

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • Dream_InnDream_Inn Member, Moderator Posts: 7,828 mod
    Dream_Inn said:
    Grahamu said:
    Turn off you water pump, open a hot and cold faucet, after water stops running turn on your engine that's connected to the tank. If water starts running you have  a leak in the heat exchanger.
    Absolutely the best and easiest way to figure it out in minutes. Good job @Grahamu and if you have a leak, that means you are losing antifreeze out of your motor 

    Dream 'Inn III -- 2008 400 Express

  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Grahamu said:
    Turn off you water pump, open a hot and cold faucet, after water stops running turn on your engine that's connected to the tank. If water starts running you have  a leak in the heat exchanger.
    But I really do not like that answer! I plan on bringing the boat home this am. I will look things over but as I have to run it I will probably do that on the way back to storage. I will figure out a coupler for the heater hose. So if I cap those coolant connections at the heater then I could probably use the heater on shore or generator? I don't want to spend a boat buck right now so we will see!
    Thanks for all the feed back. I will work on my bat one current draw and see if I can get that resolved. The cold weather will dip into central Florida mid week: 30 and 40 temps so I better get at it. I will also see if I can find a salvage one. I don't usually use the hot water but when I want it, I want it to work!
  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    Not sure how to interpret " I don't like that answer". It takes a few minutes to do and takes the guess work out of the problem. I'm a great believer in the KISS principle.
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol @Grahamu, it's not that I don't understand the test, I just don't like the probable outcome. I belive I did a similar test with that result unfortunately but before I cut it out of the system I want to make sure. If I cap off the coolant inlets, should it still work on power? That hot water had some real pressure behind it but was not a constant flow. I believe the coolant pressure is around 15 psi so I would have thought I'd see a dramatic coolant loss. It does move in the reservoir normally but have not added anything. Will take a closer look at thar too.
  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    To keep the tank operational if the heat exchanger is leaking, do the following: Have a hose to hose barb ready, same size as the engine hoses, remove the hoses from the tank and connect together using the barb. Be prepared to lose some coolant. Get a piece of hose and hose clamps, the same size as the ones you removed, and put them on the tank barbs creating a loop. This will seal off the tank and then usable on shore power.
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025


    This or similar kit can be purchased at most automotive stores.



    One could also rent a coolant pressure test kit from the auto parts store.  The heat exchanger has a cap with I believe 15 psi rating.  

    Drain your hot water tank, leave the release valve open.  Pressurize the coolant to 15-20 psi.  Wait.  If you notice water start running out of your empty water heater you know it's faulty.  I wouldn't trust the water heater anymore after this and would bypass completely or replace.  Return kit for full refund, 0 boat dollars spent.  


    Without a faulty Tee valve I still don't see hot water reaching your cold water tap.  The engine coolant pressure is only about 13 psi, I don't see it overpowering your 50 psi water system. 




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  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    @PickleRick before I throw the towel in, I'm going to isolate that valve on the cold water inlet. If that water is getting to 180 degrees, that's an expansion rate of 3% so could be pushing by that inlet cold water valve or through the heat exchanger. Im not sure what the pressure is on the pressure relief valve.
    Right now, it works like normal. I should be able to either retest tomorrow or I may just get the parts and hoses and prepare to by pass the heater for now. I will isolate that valve before I bypass the heater, just do be sure..
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I want to say the valve is similar to what's in your home water heater. 150psi or 210 degrees iirc.  


  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think I read in my travels @PickleRick for marine the psi is down to like 75 degrees,  they are less than the land based ones apparently. I'm going to cap off that hot water line to the cold water t and valve before I run it. I may get that coolant hose id before it gets all pressurized by running it. 
  • TonyG13TonyG13 Member Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭✭
    rasbury said:
    I think I read in my travels @PickleRick for marine the psi is down to like 75 degrees,  they are less than the land based ones apparently. I'm going to cap off that hot water line to the cold water t and valve before I run it. I may get that coolant hose id before it gets all pressurized by running it. 
    Ras - @PickleRick is correct. When I replaced my pressure relief valve, the OEM and replacement had a factory setting of 150 PSI/210° Fahrenheit. 
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    Wow @TonyG13. I was reading that smaller tanks were more prone to quickly hitting over pressure the threshold should be lower. Mine is only looks like a 3 gallon tank? What was happening it needed to be replaced? I've never replaced one in a heater- or anything i can think of!
  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    I will bet dollars to donuts there is nothing wrong with the valve. I also doubt the kits mentioned above whether the hoses and clamps are marine compliant. Ok for a car to get stuck on the side of the road with a burst hose but not good in a boat out to sea. Just do the test I posted earlier and get an answer one way or another. If it's leaking bypass it. 
    As a footnote the tank when heated by the engine the water is heated to engine temp which is much higher than the electric temp. If your water pump is off, engine running, it is possible to get back pressure into the cold water hose and cockpit faucet but should stop flowing within a few seconds assuming the heat exchanger is not leaking 
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Shark bite fittings are not marine compliant. That being said,  you can find plenty of online boating forums using them but you'll be hard pressed to find a failure.   




  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    rasbury said:
    Wow @TonyG13. I was reading that smaller tanks were more prone to quickly hitting over pressure the threshold should be lower. Mine is only looks like a 3 gallon tank? What was happening it needed to be replaced? I've never replaced one in a heater- or anything i can think of!
    We have a 3 gallon in our shop bathroom.   It failed due to a faulty thermostat(over heat).   The little valve does what it's supposed to and had a constant flow of hot water out of it.   We don't have a water pressure reducer on the building so it sees a steady 130-150 psi at all times. 

    Same valve that's on my 60 gallon at home 
  • TonyG13TonyG13 Member Posts: 1,393 ✭✭✭✭
    Shark bite fittings are not marine compliant. That being said,  you can find plenty of online boating forums using them but you'll be hard pressed to find a failure.   




    Replumbed the entire system on our first boat (1995 Maxum 2500 SCR) using Sharkbite and it worked for years without any issues. Have also done a few repairs on our current 310 EC with it and no issues. That said I still wouldn't install a buried/blind fitting. I plan everything out so all connections are readily accessible and/or visible for inspection.
  • captkevincaptkevin Member Posts: 451 ✭✭✭
    Sharkbites are amazing. Never had any issues 
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  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think you'll be fine with shark bites so long as you treat them as disposable fittings.  When the water heater fails, toss on new fittings. 

    As long as you don't keep your water pressure on all the time the most you'll lose is 3 gallons of water in a failure.  I lose more than that when I drain the beer cooler.  I think it takes two gallons before my bilge pump float picks up 



  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, what i did to test....the blue tube that goes from the hot water to the valve i cut leaving an inch or so nubbin at either T. I went to my local ace hardware, he put me on press by hand sharkbites that are just caps- so I can test it and see..and @Grahamu I'm sure I will find you to be correct..but I have to try. Little cold in the am..anxious to try...and the battery selector I've worked on along side of this. I was always nervous to turn off the motor as the battery would eventually crap out...
  • GrahamuGrahamu Member Posts: 901 ✭✭✭


    As long as you don't keep your water pressure on all the time the most you'll lose is 3 gallons of water in a failure.  I lose more than that when I drain the beer cooler.  I think it takes two gallons before my bilge pump float picks up 



    The loop was on the engine coolant system, you will loose a lot more if it fails, possibly an engine.

  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited December 2025
    Grahamu said:


    As long as you don't keep your water pressure on all the time the most you'll lose is 3 gallons of water in a failure.  I lose more than that when I drain the beer cooler.  I think it takes two gallons before my bilge pump float picks up 



    The loop was on the engine coolant system, you will loose a lot more if it fails, possibly an engine.

    I don't think there is a marine heater core bypass kit.  A stock Chevy V8 of the same year vehicle runs the same temp/pressure as the marine closed loop v8 system.    I suppose long term there could be failures on brass fittings due to corrosion in salt water environment.  The plastic aka polymer ones could become brittle in 10-20 years.    

    I think the biggest risk of failure would be letting the hoses flop around and get into the belts. 

    A permanent solution is a single looped hose.   Not sure he can do that with his current hoses, they might be too long.   I didn't have a great path for a single loop bypass and used a 90 degree brass elbow to keep it tucked away neatly 

    Plenty of boaters (including myself) have ran for years with a bypassed water heater due to the failure of a water heater and not being able to justify the price of replacement due to lack of need.    I never had a working one in my rinker.   Went 3 seasons without one in the Bayliner.  Finally installed one,  warm showers before bed in were a game changer. I didn't. Realize what I was missing.  


  • Pat310Pat310 Member Posts: 597 ✭✭✭
    This is how i bypassed my engine water heater loop  
  • rasburyrasbury Member Posts: 8,763 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm just going to test with my shark bites- they are already leaking. I pulled the hose, it's a 5/8 id so if I understand i will get a coupler for that, some 5/8 ID hose with two hose clamps per side to the heater as a loop.  I can clamp the hose to the floor if need be. If i can still get hot water via electric, for now that will do.
  • PickleRickPickleRick Member Posts: 4,238 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not sure if you've used a shark bite before.  If not make sure you're install good clean tubing.  It needs a smooth surface to seat.  Also need to make sure it pushes all the way in to lock. 
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