Happy Spring!

TonyG13

mvn said:

TonyG13 said:

If you were born or raised in the USA, and attended school, you are probably vaccinated (as required by law) against any or all of these depending upon your age...

Bacterial diseases:
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)

Invasive Pneumococcal Disease (PCV)

Meningococcal Disease

(MCV4)

Viral diseases:
Polio
Measles
Rubella
Mumps
Hepatitis B 
Varicella
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)

And if you have traveled internationally, depending upon your destination, you may have been required to get additional vaccinations.

Required vaccinations have been a way of life for generations.

So my question to those who do not wish to get vaccinated:

What is your reasoning for refusing the get a Covid-19 vaccine?

Remember when you got the above shots and were told that they will only reduce the severity and keep you out of hospital?  Ya, neither do I.

As a matter of fact, yes I do. These were all the vaccines required/recommended for my children - and they have had them all. I have worked in healthcare for over 26 years and was fully informed of the pros and cons of each vaccine. Everyone is given information about the efficacy of a given vaccine. No drug is 100% effective.

boatman37

Well I did not want the vaccine but Biden threatened to end my career permanently if I didn't so I had to (and I have worked from home for over 5 years). Got my 2nd shot 11/10 and have had cold symptoms since then. Not bad just irritating. I am against being forced to get it. Me and my wife both had COVID back in April and the side effects from the vaccine was 5x worse than my COVID symptoms. I know a guy that was fully vaxxed that was on the local news because he almost died. Doc told him he wouldn't have survived the night if he hadn't go to the hospital. My step-son and his wife both tested positive. Neither were vaxxed and both had mild symptoms. She has an immune deficiency and was worried but no harm. Daughter started a new job 2 weeks ago. Co-worker is pro-vax and I guess pushes it. She told my daughter today that she tested positive and that her parents, who were not vaxxed, were both in her car with her and drank her drink but they both tested negative. She told my daughter 'what was the point of me getting vaxxed'.

I hate these discussions but the fact is the vaccine is not working. It MAY diminish the effects but we don't even know that for sure. Fauci said awhile back that if you get vaxxed you will no longer need to wear a mask, can no longer get COVID and can no longer spread COVID. Well none of that was accurate. The bodies natural immune system has a higher efficacy rate than the vax

GMSLITHO

I’m in New York masks are now required everywhere went into a crowded supermarket and a elderly lady  in the isle was confused she thought we went back to the one way isle and she was going the wrong way 

Ian

Just remember that at dinner time and after most nights the TV ads are all about the medications you can take for this and that and the other. The possible side effects list is often longer than what they are saying this is treating you for - and this is after the 8-10 year development and trials periods to be approved and be sold for off hundreds per pill or dose. Then x years later many are in class action law suits because of such side effects.

So are these experimental - yes but approved. Same as the rapidly developed COVID shots. And there will be side effects and I am sure the class action trolls are making their case now.

Everyone reacts differently to vaccines, treatments and illness - pneumonia nearly killed me when I was 4, Adrenalin saved me so I could breath. I thought I was losing the Admiral after a shot of morphine 3 years ago that she’d not had a reaction to before. Our own health state and immunity levels help determine the efficacy of treatments - proactive or reactive.

TonyG13

oscar1 said:

why even vaccine can get covid and transmit covid

A classic and fascinating example of this (non-symptomatic people transmitting a disease, which also applies to vaccinated people) is Typhoid Mary. She was a perfect host carrier, but never had the disease. It's a great example of testing, isolation, and vaccination to find, slow, and then mitigate a transmissible disease.

This is an excerpt from the Annals of  Gastroenterology

(https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3959940/)

"That year [1907], about 3,000 New Yorkers had been infected by Salmonella typhi, and probably Mary was the main reason for the outbreak. Immunization against Salmonella typhi was not developed until 1911, and antibiotic treatment was not available until 1948. Thus, a dangerous source like Mary had to be restrained. Mary was then frequently accused of being the source of contact for hundreds of the ill.

...the N.Y. Department of Health, persuaded Dr. Josephine Baker, who along with the police, was sent to bring Mary Mallon in for testing. Baker and the police were met by an uncooperative Mary, who eluded them for five hours. At the end she was forced to give samples. Mary’s stool was positive for Salmonella typhi and thus she was transferred to North Brother Island to Riverside Hospital, where she was quarantined in a cottage.

During her two-year period of confinement, she had 120/163 stool samples test positive. No one ever attempted to explain to Mary the significance of being a “carrier”, instead they had offered to remove her gallbladder, something she had denied.

She was unsuccessfully treated with Hexamethylenamin, laxatives, Urotropin, and brewer’s yeast. In 1910, a new health commissioner vowed to free Mary and assist her with finding suitable employment as a domestic but not as a cook. Mary was released but never intended to abide by the agreement. She started working again in the cuisines of her unsuspecting employers, threatening public health once more.

As a cook of Sloane Maternity in Manhattan, she contaminated, in three months, at least 25 people, doctors, nurses and staff. Two of them died.

Mary was placed back on North Brother Island where she remained until her death."

LaRea

20 ways the Covid shot causes injury with links: ...

When people re-post links like that, I wish they would vet the information first.  I read a few of the source documents.  They range from irrelevant to misleading.   

For example, I'll pick on one claim that says:  "Risk of infertility is high but not yet proven." 

If vaccines caused infertility, that would be terrifying, but that's NOT what the linked article says.  It's not even close.    

The article has nothing to do with vaccines.  It's about whether COVID (the infection, not the vaccine) could potentially cause issues in the male reproductive tract that could potentially be linked to infertility.  It says the topic needs further study.  And that's just an opinion from three guys at an obscure public college in Azerbaijan who read a bunch of articles written by other researchers.  

If ... IF ... somebody eventually finds a link between COVID infection and male infertility, vaccines would actually PREVENT infertility by avoiding the infection.  

I wish people would not go around repeating that sort of misinformation.  

oscar1

I can believe how people are buying into a Vaccine which it doesn't prevent you for getting sick or transmit the virus to everybody, but it is not  one vaccine because you need 4 shot of the same vaccine to be considerate fully vaccinated. In my opinion covid is the new Manhattan project, facilitate by china creating the virus, which it was financial by the CDC, the same gov who are telling you the have the cure for your problem. The definition of insanity is the continuing doing the same thing and expect different result. 4 shot now. Look how many politicians have stock in the companies manufacturing the vaccine. Merry Christmas to everybody I which salud to everyone and very great new season of boating next year  

Liberty44140

To say that the vaccine does not prevent you from getting sick is false. Though not 100% it offers very strong protection from being hospitalized and/or dying.

In August, when Delta was hitting, 97% of people admitted to hospitals with covid were not vaccinated. With Omicron, now more than 80% admitted with covid are not vaccinated. That’s pretty strong protection. 

TonyG13

As this forum is our family and this thread is one of many discussions we have around the "dinner table" - we are always one big Rinker family - and I would just like to say whether vaccinated or not, that to all of you who celebrate - have a very Merry Christmas!

mattie

Well said….

boatman37

Kids were all here tonight and step-son is a detective. He said he was on call this weekend. I knew he was on call last weekend too cause my granddaughters birthday party was Sunday afternoon. He said his buddy Fred tested positive. Fred was at the party Sunday and felt symptoms Monday morning. He said his step-mother also has it and she was at the party Sunday too. Fred was fully vaccinated and this is his 2nd time testing positive. The first was before he was vaccinated.

Dream_Inn

boatman37 said:

Kids were all here tonight and step-son is a detective. He said he was on call this weekend. I knew he was on call last weekend too cause my granddaughters birthday party was Sunday afternoon. He said his buddy Fred tested positive. Fred was at the party Sunday and felt symptoms Monday morning. He said his step-mother also has it and she was at the party Sunday too. Fred was fully vaccinated and this is his 2nd time testing positive. The first was before he was vaccinated.

I think I drank too much right now to understand this...but, merry Christmas!

boatman37

lol. yeah you are right. let me shorten it

his co-worker Fred tested positive Tuesday. Fred had already had COVID before then got vaccinated and now has it again. My step-sons step-mother also tested positive this week. We were all at my grandaughters birthday party Sunday afternoon. But the point was that Fred has now tested positive twice and was vacccinated in between

raybo3

I am on the fence off the fence on this subject matter. I am so sick in tired hearing the word :COVID". It's cost people ton's of money and tons of wasted time. IMHO masks are a joke. They are not supposed to protect who ever wears one, it's suppose to protect the people around the person wearing it. Remember the term "droplets" God this subject is getting old. Be safe everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Handymans342

I speak the truth as well but Dream always deletes it. 

boatman37

Me and my wife both tested positive several months ago. Just some sniffles and I had a headache. Felt worse after getting my mandatory vaccine that I was extorted for

LaRea

Right – the severity of COVID symptoms varies a lot.  The lucky few get a mild fever, but there's a chance you'll die.  And in the middle, most victims endure a week of abject misery.  Gotta ask yourself:  Do I feel lucky?  

Discussion question.  Which action is better for reducing your risk of misery and/or death:  getting a COVID vaccine, or wearing seatbelts? 

If you get vaccinated, you are 5x less likely to get infected.  If you get infected, your symptoms won't be as severe, and you are 14x less likely to die.  There is a side effect risk, but it's like 1 in 20,000.  

In a bad car crash, seatbelts reduce your odds of death or severe injury, but only by a factor of 2.  And COVID fatalities are 20 times more common than car fatalities.  

By those numbers, getting vaccinated is much, much smarter than wearing seatbelts.  

[EDIT:  the correct figure is actually 14x, not 10x as originally posted.]

LaRea

I'm in excellent overall health, but when I had COVID, it ... effing ... suuuuuuuuuucked.  I felt TERRIBLE!  I wouldn't wish that misery onto anybody.  Not the Pittsburgh Penguins nor the Dallas Cowboys. 

And I had the vaccine to teach my body how to respond.  Without that, I don't want to think about it.

raybo3

@shawnmjr The vax doesn't necessarily mean your not going to get it, it means if you do get it your much less likely to get seriously sick and keeps you out of the hospital.   

J3ff

Well, so far no symptoms here, have hit a few parties, one kid threw up at one I was at tonight.. just waiting for something to happen here..

boatman37

I know about 300-400 people personally that have tested positive. 5 were pretty serious. 1 was vaccinated and came within a few hours of dying. 1 had a lung removed about 10 years ago due to smoking. 1 weighs about 450lbs, 1 was in very serious trouble but no idea if he was vaxxed or not. And 1 was about 70 and not vaxxed. But lately about 90% of all cases I hear of are people that are vaxxed. Granted most aren't on their death beds but neither are the ones that aren't vaxxed.

I wouldn't be vaxxed if Biden wouldn't have threatened to end my career permanently (extortion?).

LaRea

@boatman37 that's an interesting perspective.  To me, it shows why people should not make decisions based on personal anecdotes when there's so much nationwide data available.  

Your perspective from personal experience:
10% of new cases are unvaxxed people

The CDC nationwide numbers paint a totally different picture: 
82% of new cases are unvaxxed people
93% of deaths are unvaxxed people

Setting that aside ... holy crap, you know a lot of people!  To know 400 people who have been infected, you'd need to know 4000 people well enough that they tell you their COVID status.  You must lead an interesting and busy life! 

Liberty44140

Al you are a lucky man to not know one person who has died from Covid, wish I could say that. Know several. 

boatman37

When I say 400 people I'm referring to people I know in general and have heard about their cases through other friends. These are people I have known but may not have kept in contact with. Example is the one that was vaxxed and barely made it to the hospital on time. He used to dock across from us and we looked at his boat when he decided to sell. Wasn't a friend that I hung out with or was close to. Of those I'm close enough to call 'friends' I'd say maybe 20-30 cases. Maybe 1/3 were vaxxed when they tested positive but about 1/2 of them tested positive before the vax was available. 3 were the first cases we had heard of around here back in March 2020 and were in my bowling league. My best friend and his wife just had it a couple of weeks ago (not vaxxed). My step-sons co-worker (who I'm friends with) got it twice (once pre-vax and one post vax the other day). Step-sons step-mother tested positive this week and she is vaxxed. Point being...since the vax was approved I'd say 1/2 of the cases I personally know (~30 people) of were vaxxed people. Only 3 of those 30 or so required medical treatment. Of those 30 or so that I know well none have died but of the 400 or so I 'know' I think maybe 3 have died.

aero3113

Liberty44140 said:

Al you are a lucky man to not know one person who has died from Covid, wish I could say that. Know several. 

@Liberty44140 sorry to hear that. Same here, I know of multiple and 4 were close family or friends. 

MarkB

rasbury said:

I'm more worried for what is in my McDonald hamburger.... 

This is probably the most factual thing in this whole thread.

To everyone:

People are going nuts about some vaccine ... some even think it was created to cull half of the world's population ... yet, what we eat, smoke, drink ... no problem!

If they wanted to kill you, infect you ... none of us would be talking right now, they'd just do it.

Sure, money is involved in this. Pfizer and Moderna saw the opportunity and jumped on it. The vaccine does work ... whether people like to admit it or not ... it doesn't necessarily stop someone from getting COVID, but it ABSOLUTELY DOES reduce the rate of hospitalization by around 30x to 40x.  And that is why it was created ... not to prevent us from getting cold-like symptoms ... but to keep us out of hospital!

Anyone here that is against getting the vaccine ... I have to ask one question ... have you EVER taken another form of vaccine or medicine?  Yes, well how in the heck do you know what's in that stuff, and how well it's been tested.

Here's another one ... anyone here drink Diet Coke, or Low Calorie Yogurt ... or anything with Aspartame in it?? As far as I'm aware, asapartame is a carcinogen!  And America is consuming TONS of it! No problem with that???

MarkB

oscar1 said:

What it is wrong when somebody doesn't  want to put anything on their body. Like we all  chose what to drink or eat example  alcohol, coffee,  beef or not beef,  Tylenol for paint or milk and etc, so why you can NOT chose to put a vaccine or not. My two cents

Nothing wrong ... it should be a choice.
But, I have to sit back and watch the craziness of the whole thing.
People freaking out about one vaccine ... singling it out, and nuking that story to death.
But those same people smoking, consuming carcinogens (nitrates on meats, aspartame in diet foods), drinking, hormones in meat, GMO crops ... 

It's honestly absurd that they are isolating this vaccine ... like what about the other 99% of the crap you put in your body??

So honestly, I only have time to hear the anti-vax argument from the very few that actually apply that to the rest of their lives.  The rest, I'm sorry to say this, but it's very hypocritical.

MarkB

mvn said:

TonyG13 said:

If you were born or raised in the USA, and attended school, you are probably vaccinated (as required by law) against any or all of these depending upon your age...

Bacterial diseases:
Diphtheria
Pertussis
Tetanus

Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)

Invasive Pneumococcal Disease (PCV)

Meningococcal Disease

(MCV4)

Viral diseases:
Polio
Measles
Rubella
Mumps
Hepatitis B 
Varicella
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)

And if you have traveled internationally, depending upon your destination, you may have been required to get additional vaccinations.

Required vaccinations have been a way of life for generations.

So my question to those who do not wish to get vaccinated:

What is your reasoning for refusing the get a Covid-19 vaccine?

Remember when you got the above shots and were told that they will only reduce the severity and keep you out of hospital?  Ya, neither do I.

You remember back then, when everyone believed everything they were told? Like smoking is good for you ... yeah, Doctors were saying that.  Apparently it killed the bacteria in your lungs ... Marlboro really did some good marketing back then.

It's amazing what we choose to believe ... without understanding, reading or researching. Still to this day, people don't bat an eye consuming Aspartame ... cancer causing Aspartame.  Because they told you it was okay when it first came out.

The point is, YOU do not know at all what is in any of the vaccines for the above listed illnesses ... and you have no issue taking them.

YYZRC

I was one of the AstraZeneca guinea pigs. I’m annoyed that people were able to choose their flavor of C19 vaccine. I was never offered the choice of which brand of MMR vaccine I got. What gives?!

halifax212

@YYZRC. Me too!  I have the AZ vaccine when one became available , then others were holding out for "the good one" .... go figure.