Happy Spring!

GMSLITHO

There is also the shell game currently being played by Pfizer and its two “vaccines” — the one still under an emergency use authorization called BioNTech, and Pfizer’s replacement for that, Comirnaty, which has received an FDA approval under shady circumstances. The catch is, Pfizer refuses to release Comirnaty in the USA because approved drugs do not enjoy that shield against liability. Pfizer’s BioNTech vaxx has injured and killed many thousands of people in the past year. If the two vaxxes are the same, you can expect Comirnaty to kill and injure plenty of victims, and Pfizer will be sued up its pfizoo.

Therefore, Pfizer is also working hard to confuse the public about whether the two drugs are actually the same or not. Ohio University tried to pull a switcheroo with its vaxx mandate, saying they’d made Comirnaty available to students, which is obviously untrue, since Pfizer won’t release it. They are using the unapproved BioNTech. Ohio law (HB 244, in effect this past October) prevents Ohio public schools from mandating vaccines not approved by the FDA. Hence, students at Ohio University are suing the school over its vaccine mandate

LaRea

GMSLITHO said:

... Pfizer will be sued up its pfizoo....

Bahahahaha good one @GMSLITHO   

All vaccines have risks.  I definitely expect many thousands of adverse outcomes from each of the major vaccines.  As Pfizer said, "... the known and potential benefits ... outweigh its known and potential risks ...".  

Everybody, thanks for keeping this discussion civil.  With so many of our boats laid up for winter, we don't have much else to talk about.  

Liberty44140

GMSLITHO said:

There is also the shell game currently being played by Pfizer and its two “vaccines” — the one still under an emergency use authorization called BioNTech, and Pfizer’s replacement for that, Comirnaty, which has received an FDA approval under shady circumstances. The catch is, Pfizer refuses to release Comirnaty in the USA because approved drugs do not enjoy that shield against liability. Pfizer’s BioNTech vaxx has injured and killed many thousands of people in the past year. If the two vaxxes are the same, you can expect Comirnaty to kill and injure plenty of victims, and Pfizer will be sued up its pfizoo.

Therefore, Pfizer is also working hard to confuse the public about whether the two drugs are actually the same or not. Ohio University tried to pull a switcheroo with its vaxx mandate, saying they’d made Comirnaty available to students, which is obviously untrue, since Pfizer won’t release it. They are using the unapproved BioNTech. Ohio law (HB 244, in effect this past October) prevents Ohio public schools from mandating vaccines not approved by the FDA. Hence, students at Ohio University are suing the school over its vaccine mandate

This is false. Pfizer BioNTech is a joint project between two companies who branded their vaccine comirnaty. Comirnaty is the brand name of the Pfizer BioNtech vaccine. They are the same. No difference. This vaccine was fully fda approved in august. 

Go Bobcats!

mattie

J3ff

well I've got a dry cough and a sore throat... 

Lake_Bum

How many Boosters are enough?  0
How many vaccines are approved? 0
How many have died from the vaccine? according to the Vaers report 0.  Tough to track something that never gets reported!  
And to those that trust ANY news media these days?  = SHEEP 

People believe what they want to.  Watching "like-minded" news is how America operates now.  Nothing is news anymore. It is AGENDA.  It doesn't matter Dem or Repub.  They all lie. 

Is it Spring yet? 

LaRea

If you're using VAERS to assess vaccine risk, you're using the wrong tool.  VAERS does not address cause-and-effect.  It just collects observations taken after vaccination.  

Complication rates can only be estimated by using a control group that receives a placebo vaccination.  Look up the Israel study published in NEJM as a good example, although it only looks at one particular type of complication.  

GMSLITHO

GMSLITHO

Lake_Bum

A good friend, and coworker of mine, his healthy 22 year old son, had a severe reaction only four hours after his 1st shot of Moderna.  He now has permanent vertigo so bad, at times he cannot walk.  He can't drive and lost his job.  He has migraine headaches, and chest pains.  
Doctors refuse to admit that it is related to the vaccine AT ALL.  Nothing has been filed to VAERS.  
Another friend in Phoenix, has a son that now has Myocarditis that started the day after his 1st shot.  I'm not sure which type of vaccine that one was.  Again......nothing recorded to VAERS, and Docs refuse to admit ANY part of it as being related to the shot. On one of his sons many visits to the hospital since, an ER Doctor had the audacity to tell him he still needs to get the 2nd shot.  My buddy is a police officer, and one of his coworkers had to escort him out, before he crossed the line with that Doctor.  

These stories are happening in every town, in every state.  Not being reported to VAERS. Nothing to see here.......

GMSLITHO

your not considered vaccinated till 14 days after the first shot ,so it won't be reported as being related to the shot 

Lake_Bum

GMSLITHO said:

your not considered vaccinated till 14 days after the first shot ,so it won't be reported as being related to the shot 

Very convenient isn't it....

A healthy person, having adverse affects by it, and it isn't related (legally) 

LaRea

For clarity, openVAERS is not a government site.  It's a private site established to promote a specific point of view.

You're darned right there's risk when you get vaccinated.  Again, VAERS isn't the right tool, but 10,000 US deaths have been reported in VAERS.  That would mean your risk of dying from a vaccination is around 1 in 20,000, and that figure is consistent with the Israel study and others I've seen.  

I think I'm "all talked out" on this topic.  Ima go back to sulking about how the Dallas Cowboys crushed the souls of DC football fans last night.  

YYZRC

When do total annual deaths and the cause in the US get published? Can’t wait to see how nobody is dying of cancer or heart disease anymore!

Seriously though I am curious to see how the numbers compare to prior years. 

oscar1

about the flu

LaRea

GMSLITHO said:

your not considered vaccinated till 14 days after the first shot ,so it won't be reported as being related to the shot 

Absolutely false.  Geez @GMSLITHO, please get your facts straight.  

Healthcare workers are required by law to file a VAERS report for adverse outcomes that occur (generally) within 7 days following vaccination.  Doesn't matter if it happens 5 minutes after the shot, or 5 days.  

For some outcomes, there's a longer window for required reporting.  For deaths, there's no time limit, as all must be reported.  Most definitions say:  "Any acute complication or sequelae (including death) of above events (interval - not applicable)".  

Details on reporting requirements and time windows are here:
https://vaers.hhs.gov/docs/VAERS_Table_of_Reportable_Events_Following_Vaccination.pdf
https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

boatman37

My son is 28 and got his 2nd Pfizer shot a couple of months ago and now has shingles. Likely related to the vaccine from what his Dr said and the research we have done

GMSLITHO

LaRea has nothing to do with reporting this is on the CDC website if you need the link Ill post it 

COVID-19 vaccines are effective at protecting you from getting sick. Based on what we know about COVID-19 vaccines, people who have been fully vaccinated can do things that they had stopped doing because of the pandemic.

These recommendations can help you make decisions about daily activities after you are fully vaccinated. They are notintended for healthcare settings.

In general, people are considered fully vaccinated: ±

• 2 weeks after their second dose in a 2-dose series, such as the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines, or
• 2 weeks after a single-dose vaccine, such as Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen vaccine

If you don’t meet these requirements, regardless of your age, you are NOT fully vaccinated. Keep taking all precautions until you are fully vaccinated.

GMSLITHO

heres the link

https://vaers.hhs.gov/reportevent.html

MarkB

GMSLITHO said:

Yeah, except not colds ... some people die, some people lose sense of smell/taste for 6 months, some people have permanent lung damage ... not according to news, but people I actually know.

We know two anti-vaxxers in the family and friend circle under 40, both dead from COVID.

Sure doesn't sound like the average cold to me ...

This kind of reminds me of a great movie I watched last night .... Don't Look Up ... on Netflix.  It's incredible how people just want to ignore the facts, to simply believe what some wacko is telling y'all.

ICU cases are 75% to 80% non-vaxxed ... given here non-vaxxed only makes up 10% of the population ... that means 30x more likely to end up in ICU if you are not vaxxed.

I have no issue with people making their own decisions what they put in their body, but I do wish people would stop being so foolish to call this a cold ... it's not, not even close, and that is where the majority of the population rolls their eyes at the non-vaxxed.

rasbury

This could have all been behind us by now....

LaRea

GMSLITHO said:

your not considered vaccinated till 14 days after the first shot ,so it won't be reported as being related to the shot 

You said that adverse events within 14 days of the shot "won't be reported as being related to the shot."  That's what I was disputing.  

J3ff

Well, day 2 of feeling crappy, still cant find a test.. what a failure. 

YYZRC

I feel crappy every day. No test needed - I will feel great come late April. 

GMSLITHO

I just saw that movie last night too  DONT LOOK UP its hilarious 

MarkB

Alswagg said:

Mark B.  Out of my direct family members, us, the kids, and their kids, 22, only one is vaxed due to being a nurse, she did not want to get it. Out of many many of my friends, only about 200 or so, only about 10 that I know of are vaxed.     Maybe it’s the area of the country that is worse than others.  I don’t know, but these numbers you posted seem very skewed.   The media lies at nearly everything to simply project their agenda 

Al, no numbers are skewed.

I am in direct contact with doctors ... one is a parent of my son's hockey team, and the other races Audi TTRS in a group with me ... so this is not 2nd hand info.

We are talking about Ontario, Canada.  Almost 90% double vaxxed, of a population of 14.5 million people.

75% of the ICU beds are occupied by non-vaxxed people.

So if we look at it per capita (say per million people) ... 

Non-vaxxed = 85 people per million in ICU
Vaxxed = 3 people per million in ICU

85 / 3 = 28 times higher probability of ending up in ICU if you are non-vaxxed.

The numbers posted on the government website (Hospitalizations | COVID-19 (coronavirus) in Ontario), do corroborate very well with the friends (doctors) I am directly speaking to. 

So, no fake news ... that's become too easy of an excuse to dismiss real data, just so people can continue to believe all the false narratives about the vaccines.

Once again, I repeat, despite this ... I still think getting the vaccine should be a choice by the individual.

MarkB

GMSLITHO said:

I just saw that movie last night too  DONT LOOK UP its hilarious 

It sure is hilarious. But what's scary is ... you can pretty much believe that would happen in today's times.

Lake_Bum

rasbury said:

This could have all been behind us by now....

According to the above, Canada is 90% Vaxxed.  It's not gone there yet is it? 

Are you implying if EVERYONE is vaxxed, it "could be behind us" ?    

We all know that is ludicrous. It is here to STAY.  You cannot eradicate a virus. So quit blaming the non-vaxxed.  That is playing into the hands of the poision on the news every day, every network. 

Dream_Inn

I'm with Mark on the numbers.  Without saying too much, the admiral works on the hospital floors that handles covid. Currently over 70 percent are not vaccinated. Without geting into too many specifics, it's much higher for the deaths.  So, I hear some of this daily from my wife and know how much worse it could be when not vaccinated. 
 I completely agree it's a choice.  Everything in life is.  Heck, I remember when my kids were young, you had a choice that if they were to go to public school they had to get vaccinations.

Grahamu

Dream_Inn said:

Heck, I remember when my kids were young, you had a choice that if they were to go to public school they had to get vaccinations.

I remember when there was no social media and very little discussion, we got vaccinated because it was the thing to do and we came out of it OK.